Joe Beevers Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) So this is similar to the last two topics I did but I felt as people were picking a lot of their favourite riders to beat more recent world superstars and as the "Best of all time" has probably been done to death, I thought this may be a more interesting debate. So who would be the champions on the old World Pairs format. Tony Rickardsson (6) Freddie Williams (2) Ivan Mauger (6) Tai Woffinden (2) Ove Fundin (5) Nicki Pedersen (3) Hans Nielsen (4) Jack Young (2) Ole Olsen (3) Jason Crump (3) Eric Gundersen (3) Barry Briggs (4) Greg Hancock (3) Peter Craven (2) Bruce Penhall (2) Ronnie Moore (2) In my opinion 1) Olsen/Crump 2) Mauger/Woffinden 3) Penhall/Moore Who would be your top three folks. Edited October 11, 2015 by Joe Beevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting concept Joe but I'm intrigued as to how you decided your pairings. I would have put Fundin with Briggs, Hancock with Penhall, Mauger with Moore, Nielsen with Gundersen, Crump with Young, Woffinden with Craven, Pedersen with Olsen and kept Williams with Rickardsson. My top 3... Tai and Peter Hans and Eric Ivan and Ronnie However, using your pairings I would go... Mauger/Woffinden Craven/Hancock Penhall/Moore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I was actually going to decide on an era pairings such as Olsen, Mauger or Gundersen Nielsen etc for each early or late decade but felt people may have just picked the era they enjoyed speedway the moes, so I wanted a more balanced view on each riders from everyone. I like your other suggestion customhouseregular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Interesting concept Joe but I'm intrigued as to how you decided your pairings. I would have put Fundin with Briggs, Hancock with Penhall, Mauger with Moore, Nielsen with Gundersen, Crump with Young, Woffinden with Craven, Pedersen with Olsen and kept Williams with Rickardsson. My top 3... Tai and Peter Hans and Eric Ivan and Ronnie However, using your pairings I would go... Mauger/Woffinden Craven/Hancock Penhall/Moore I agree with both of your choices CHR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Just to be pedantic, Briggs should be 4 not 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Just to be pedantic, Briggs should be 4 not 2. Well spotted. I was too intent on the names to notice the error but i'm sure Joe knew it was 4 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yes of course, he went to Sweden and won it twice after his Wembley days. Bit embarrassing as had to check some of others. Thought Nielsen won same as Olsen for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Mauger/woffy Gundersen/Briggs Olsen/crump Using chrs pairs; Fundin/Briggs Mauger/Moore Hans/eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I put Tai and Peter as no.1 as I believe Tai has it in him to match the best and Peter I believe would have gone on to greatness had fate not intervened. However, with the history and rivalry between Briggs and Fundin it would have been an inspired pairing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 However, with the history and rivalry between Briggs and Fundin it would have been an inspired pairing. I think they would been too busy trying to knock each other off than concentrating on winning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I think they would been too busy trying to knock each other off than concentrating on winning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Personally i think Neilsen and Gundersen are the greatest BP team to ever pair up. They dominated that title with four on the trot, from 86 to 89. Not only great individual riders, but the great danes proved almost unbeatable as a team. However, on this format i would go: 1 Gundersen/Briggs Gundersen, great pairs rider to drag barging Barry all the way to gold. 2 Fundin/Pedersen Fundin, say no more, and a determined Nikki providing good support. 3 Crump/Olsen Crump, a speedway racer, and Ole fast enough to cover his back. 4 Mauger/Woofinden Mauger, not a great pairs rider, and Woofy inexperienced in this field. Can,t put Hans Neilsen in because i think Jack Young would not score well in this field. Same with Rickardson and Williams, and probably because Jack Young and Freddie Williams are way before my time. The Americans always perform well in teams but neither of those teams are strong enough to win. And just for interest sake; Polish pair of Gollob 1, and Sczakiel 1 (no idea how to spell that) would have no chance as the only Polish team to fit the criteria.. Edited October 13, 2015 by Ozrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Unfortunately the two Poles only have one world title each, so they wouldn't fit the multiple winner criteria. It would be interesting to see a best nations pairs of all time. Question is would Nielsen and Gundersen beaten teams of Fundin/Rickardsson and Mauger/Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 sweden and kiwis to battle for the title, danes third. usa to battle with england and aussie for fourth, though denmark "b" (olsen/pedersen) would likely beatvall three of those latter pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) I was thinking about country best pairs when you started this thread, Joe and was going to post something. It's not easy to come up with a definitive best pair for most countries,though funnily enough, probably the best of them all with multiple world champions is the easiest. That is Sweden. Has to be Fundin/Rickardsson. My second would have been New Zealand with Mauger/Briggs, so it's funny that you have said Mauger/Moore. Not so self-evident after all then. I guess Denmark with Nielsen/Gundersen also speaks for itself, though you would have to consider Ole Olsen and Nicki Pedersen....hmmm, maybe it doesn't speak for itself after all! After that it gets more difficult. USA, maybe Penhall/Hancock but what about Jack Milne? Britain - Craven and ? Plenty to choose from, starting with Tom Farndon and working through Eric Langton, Tommy Price, Freddie Williams, Split Waterman, Peter Collins, Michael Lee, Tai Woffinden. Poland? Gollob and ? Again plenty to choose from Woryna, Waloszek, Plech, Jancarz, Hampel. Australia is probably the most difficult of all. No dead cert no. 1 Vic Huxley, Bluey Wilkinson, Vic Duggan, Jack Young, Aub Lawson, Jason Crump.And then there's Russia, Norway, Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic), etc. It's getting late..... Edited October 14, 2015 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 have to be the two pcs for engksnd, given peter collins record in the event. agree hsns and eric and mauger briggs poland would go golkob hampel. usa agree penhall hsncock emil and plechanov for russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) We could also split up the constituent parts of GB. England,much the same, except no consideration of Freddie Williams. Wales: Freddie and Eric Williams Scotland: Ken McKinlay and ? George Hunter, ?Jim McMillan, maybe Haggis? Edited October 14, 2015 by norbold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Templeton Brothers for Scotland?. Harrfeldt ( ) and Hveem for Norway. Kasper and Tomicek for Czech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Templeton Brothers for Scotland?. Harrfeldt ( ) and Hveem for Norway. Kasper and Tomicek for Czech. Doug maybe in with a shout, but not Willie. There's also Tommy Miller of course. Sverre Harrfeldt definitely. Reidar Eide? Runa Holta?- or is he Polish!? Czech. Which Kasper and which Tomicek!!!??? They like it to run in families over there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Antonin and Lubos Dag Lovaas to partner Sverre?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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