John Leslie Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Only logical guesses, not fact, but I presume the answers are... 1 If a protected reserve because of his rising average moves into the 1-5 does he then become unprotected or does he have a job for the season? He's still a Fast Track rider regardless of whether in the 1-5 or at reserve, and can only be replaced by a fast-track rider of the same tier.2 If such a rider is in the 1-5 and is long term injured how can he be replaced? By another Fast Track rider from the same tier.3 If he can be sacked, does he have to be replaced with another draft rider who then becomes "protected" or if he is in 1-5 can he be replaced with a PL rider of the same average as he has achieved?Only replaced by another Fast Track rider of the same tier 4 Or do teams have to have 2 protected riders throughout the season, tho not necessarily the same ones. Yes5 Altho such a rider "has the ability" to move up what happens if either he or his club decide to keep him at reserve? Can they do that...would seem to give clubs with a good reserve a big advantage. The ability to move up is based on average, not the whim of a promoter. If their average exceeds one of the top 5, they move up. If we keep this year's race format lots will be moving up. If we revert back to the old format it's less of a problem.Probably I've not worded it very well but neither is the press release Certainly seems to have resulted in more questions than answers, tho I do applaud the effort to help British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 If your top EDR rider is injured and needed to be replaced by a lesser EDR the difference should be that clubs could now have points to play with in other areas of the side. So if your top EDR rider is injured it might not hinder your side so much as it did previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 From the way it looks the tier 2 riders are to be assesed on a 3 point average to me this is wrong.If the tier 1 riders are to get a converted prem average that counts in the team building total then so should the 2nd tier riders.e.g Garrity the top tier rider has an average of 5.07 and Newman an ave of 4.10 this gives Poole 0.93 to build a stronger 1 to 5 team.Plus Poole gain with Newman at No 6 in the 1st tier draft and Garrety at no1 Poole get 3rd pick of the 2nd tier riders and Coventry get last. Where if they all get an average your team strength would dictate which 2 nd tier rider would fit into your team. As it stands Coventry lose out twice a weaker top 5 and last pick in the 2nd tier draft eg Sargent 3.00 ave Branford 2.04. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I'm trying hard to be see the positives from the recent AGM, but failing miserably. If there be a trophy given for the most complicated set of rules where most problems were self inflicted, then the BSPA would win this award every year. without fail....... I am sure they set out with the sole intention on pissing everyone off. Sometimes I wonder if there is a brain between them, How can a sport , so straight forward, be complicated so much. When the Drafts scheme was first suggested, some of us were branded as scare mongers for pointing out the obvious shortcomings of having protected heats, resulting in varying CMA biasness. . Now two years down the line the BSPA are digging a bigger hole than before, trying to rescue a badly thought out idea. Years back we had 13 heats, everyone racing against each other. Every rider's CMA was testament to their ability in comparison to other riders. Increase the 13 format with and addition reserve race and finish with the nominated one, to achieve the full 15 races. Its so unbelievably SIMPLY.. so straight forward. We could add a simple proviso to that, and say each team has to field two British riders, one being at reserve. Our sport suffers from many problems, least of all, attracting of new supporters. We have a desperate shortage of top riders, leaving the sport over run with Guests, Double Uppers and R/R. I cant see where this AGM meeting has addressed any of the important problems and have only compounded the ones we already had. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 From the way it looks the tier 2 riders are to be assesed on a 3 point average to me this is wrong.If the tier 1 riders are to get a converted prem average that counts in the team building total then so should the 2nd tier riders.e.g Garrity the top tier rider has an average of 5.07 and Newman an ave of 4.10 this gives Poole 0.93 to build a stronger 1 to 5 team.Plus Poole gain with Newman at No 6 in the 1st tier draft and Garrety at no1 Poole get 3rd pick of the 2nd tier riders and Coventry get last. Where if they all get an average your team strength would dictate which 2 nd tier rider would fit into your team. As it stands Coventry lose out twice a weaker top 5 and last pick in the 2nd tier draft eg Sargent 3.00 ave Branford 2.04. Don't teams who actually own a rider's contract still have the facility to reserve him in the draw? Has that option been dropped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No doubt over the past 48 hours several 'loopholes' will have been unearthed so some teams can eagerly jump into them... It also says that the current reserves 'have the ability' to move into the top five after four matches if their average is higher not that 'they will'... Nice to see, once again, a bit of ambiguity when bringing out a rule... Heaven forbid, we ever see clear unambiguous legislation.... They haven't brought the rule out yet, merely given a summary of what they intend to do. Before jumping to conclusions, why not wait until you see how the rule is actually worded and then come to a judgement on whether it is ambiguous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I'm trying hard to be see the positives from the recent AGM, but failing miserably. If there be a trophy given for the most complicated set of rules where most problems were self inflicted, then the BSPA would win this award every year. without fail....... I am sure they set out with the sole intention on pissing everyone off. Sometimes I wonder if there is a brain between them, How can a sport , so straight forward, be complicated so much. When the Drafts scheme was first suggested, some of us were branded as scare mongers for pointing out the obvious shortcomings of having protected heats, resulting in varying CMA biasness. . Now two years down the line the BSPA are digging a bigger hole than before, trying to rescue a badly thought out idea. Years back we had 13 heats, everyone racing against each other. Every rider's CMA was testament to their ability in comparison to other riders. Increase the 13 format with and addition reserve race and finish with the nominated one, to achieve the full 15 races. Its so unbelievably SIMPLY.. so straight forward. We could add a simple proviso to that, and say each team has to field two British riders, one being at reserve. Our sport suffers from many problems, least of all, attracting of new supporters. We have a desperate shortage of top riders, leaving the sport over run with Guests, Double Uppers and R/R. I cant see where this AGM meeting has addressed any of the important problems and have only compounded the ones we already had. They certainly seem to complicate matters every year,must be the Alcohol ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Once again at a time when something radical needs to be done, slight tinkering for the benefit of certain promotions instead of the sport as a whole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 They haven't brought the rule out yet, merely given a summary of what they intend to do. Before jumping to conclusions, why not wait until you see how the rule is actually worded and then come to a judgement on whether it is ambiguous Agree. They've only gave an outline of what they hope will be ratified in November. Should wait to see how things will be implemented before saying whether things will improve the sport or not. They've given us something to talk about though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 They certainly seem to complicate matters every year,must be the Alcohol ! No. Fans complicate matters. They mis-read things (on purpose in some cases im sure) to make things look worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No. Fans complicate matters. They mis-read things (on purpose in some cases im sure) to make things look worse.Ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Sometimes I wonder if there is a brain between them have a word with Buster and Rob Lyon next time you see them, see if they have a brain as they are the Kings Lynn representatives on the BSPA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 have a word with Buster and Rob Lyon next time you see them, see if they have a brain as they are the Kings Lynn representatives on the BSPA I see and speak with Buster often. I have the greatest of respect for him, and marvel what he has achieved at Saddlebow Road. so no complaints there....... My comment were directed a the BSPA as a body, the organisation of our sport. It seems that when they all get together, common sense goes out the window..... The sport becomes secondary.. I'm also aware there are some good people on the committee, but just seem to be out numbered, by those who think everything is rosy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 This could be the beauty of the BSPA cock up. Fans on here are asking questions, pointing out possibly loop-holes. Meaning when they sit down at the final-final-AGM they will have got the fans to iron out the wrinkles and things will be fixed/fairer. Woffys average is about 7.1. Guess what Newman and Garrity averaged last year? About 7.1. I'd say it's very possible if Coventrys first 4 meetings include a visit to Wolves and 3 home meetings he could hit 8 and be replaced by anyone in the World except Nicki or Greg! As it is, I'm assuming we're going back to the "traditional" EL format (the current PL one) so higher averages will be a little harder. Plus draft riders will only be able to be replaced by other draft riders. I just love the highlighted sentence SCB. And you know what - I bet there is more than a little truth in it. What the hell; bamboozled totally; are you ? YES!!! -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Don't teams who actually own a rider's contract still have the facility to reserve him in the draw? Has that option been dropped? If the same as last year then they can choose to reserve one. But sorry what has that to do with the point of my post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Job losses at TATA steel at Redcar , Scunthorpe, Lanarkshire....possibly Workington too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 From the way it looks the tier 2 riders are to be assesed on a 3 point average to me this is wrong.If the tier 1 riders are to get a converted prem average that counts in the team building total then so should the 2nd tier riders.e.g Garrity the top tier rider has an average of 5.07 and Newman an ave of 4.10 this gives Poole 0.93 to build a stronger 1 to 5 team.Plus Poole gain with Newman at No 6 in the 1st tier draft and Garrety at no1 Poole get 3rd pick of the 2nd tier riders and Coventry get last. Where if they all get an average your team strength would dictate which 2 nd tier rider would fit into your team. As it stands Coventry lose out twice a weaker top 5 and last pick in the 2nd tier draft eg Sargent 3.00 ave Branford 2.04. Excellent post B.V 72 - I would guess that because the first tier draft riders have averages, then then the second tier pick would be done lowest 2015 team 1st pick, 2nd lowest 2nd pick etc with no exceptions as teams will have been compensated with extra points for the top 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Excellent post B.V 72 - I would guess that because the first tier draft riders have averages, then then the second tier pick would be done lowest 2015 team 1st pick, 2nd lowest 2nd pick etc with no exceptions as teams will have been compensated with extra points for the top 5 I'll have a bet that isn't the way it's done as what would be the point of using Premier League averages if it meant Poole couldn't pick Adam Ellis as a result of them having last pick for 2nd draft reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I see and speak with Buster often. I have the greatest of respect for him, and marvel what he has achieved at Saddlebow Road. so no complaints there....... My comment were directed a the BSPA as a body, the organisation of our sport. It seems that when they all get together, common sense goes out the window..... The sport becomes secondary.. I'm also aware there are some good people on the committee, but just seem to be out numbered, by those who think everything is rosy. so asking if they 'have a brain between them' and then saying that about Buster is kinda hypoctitical no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 so asking if they 'have a brain between them' and then saying that about Buster is kinda hypoctitical no? No, not at all. But Please, you look at it any way you like. I was commenting on the BSPA, and referred to a collective brain between them, based on the decisions they made..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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