RobMcCaffery Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 So no new measures brought in to try and encourage the world's best riders back over here then? People actually want to see the top riders in action,crowds are falling and it's no longer attractive to pay the best part of £20 or more to see the best Grade B riders and a few youngsters racing against each other. Only one measure is required and that's something there isn't enough of. Money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 What rule is going to magic up money? The World bets want paying. British speedway can't pay. Even if they went to one race night, once home and away the top guys still wouldn't want it, they'd find another excuse as one of them will admit they just want more money.though tbf over the last couple of seasons youve had woffy paelickis magic killer mjj etc.so there must be a way ti make it work if uvlook at say zagar at bv on 3k a meetung, a large portion of which i understand is paid by dponsors. assuming if you replaced him with a 3pter crowds wpuld dip by 5% i think bv end up financially better off with zagae in the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Doesnt the 6.5 point average for new non british riders mean that this is unlikely?? It doesn't say that. It says any new riders that are assessed at 6.5 or above will be on the heat leader list. Doesn't mean they are all 6.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Doesnt the 6.5 point average for new non british riders mean that this is unlikely?? Two things...Firstly - 6.5 only applies to the new guys. There are those foreigners in the squads already who are of a reserves average. At Poole for instance, Kyle Newman only has to achieve a 5.52 and Kacper Gomolski could drop down to the reserves. Look at the averages of Tobiasz Musielak and Peter Karlsson at Wolves or Nicklas Porsing at Kings Lynn...all good candidates for a bit of jiggery pokery at "reserve". Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)? That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider? This does pose a potential problem if a draft rider, who has an average and is riding in the main body of the tea, gets injured. Will they receive a guest up to their average or simply from the draft list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Only one measure is required and that's something there isn't enough of. Money. ;-) Don't forget foresight, intellectual rigour and integrity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Two things...Firstly - 6.5 only applies to the new guys. There are those foreigners in the squads already who are of a reserves average. At Poole for instance, Kyle Newman only has to achieve a 5.52 and Kacper Gomolski could drop down to the reserves. Look at the averages of Tobiasz Musielak and Peter Karlsson at Wolves or Nicklas Porsing at Kings Lynn...all good candidates for a bit of jiggery pokery at "reserve". Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)? Id have thought (hope) EDR could only be replaced by another EDR. That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider? This does pose a potential problem if a draft rider, who has an average and is riding in the main body of the tea, gets injured. Will they receive a guest up to their average or simply from the draft list? If a 2nd string is missing it now has to be R/R. Edited October 20, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 If a 2nd string is missing it now has to be R/R. An average of 6.5, which is easily achievable by a Draft rider in four meetings, would see them in the top three of every team except Swindon and Poole, if you take the final averages from 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 That is a good question. Presumably, a Draft rider can only be replaced by another Draft rider? The 2016 regulations will make for interesting reading. Let's see which of the promoters see the options and cater for them with contingencies in the rule book and which keep quiet and hold them as aces up their sleeve (no slur meant towards Belle Vue there btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Two things...Firstly - 6.5 only applies to the new guys. There are those foreigners in the squads already who are of a reserves average. At Poole for instance, Kyle Newman only has to achieve a 5.52 and Kacper Gomolski could drop down to the reserves. Look at the averages of Tobiasz Musielak and Peter Karlsson at Wolves or Nicklas Porsing at Kings Lynn...all good candidates for a bit of jiggery pokery at "reserve". Secondly, what happens if Kyle Newman achieves a 6.5 average? Does he go into the main team, only to be sacked and replaced by Patryck Dudek or Bartosz Zmarzlik ( or similar)? No doubt over the past 48 hours several 'loopholes' will have been unearthed so some teams can eagerly jump into them...😃 It also says that the current reserves 'have the ability' to move into the top five after four matches if their average is higher not that 'they will'... Nice to see, once again, a bit of ambiguity when bringing out a rule... Heaven forbid, we ever see clear unambiguous legislation....😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 An average of 6.5, which is easily achievable by a Draft rider in four meetings, would see them in the top three of every team except Swindon and Poole, if you take the final averages from 2015. Depends if the reserves are protected like the last couple of years. They shouldnt be now they have the ability to move up and for top 5 riders to drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Depends if the reserves are protected like the last couple of years. They shouldnt be now they have the ability to move up and for top 5 riders to drop. It would make sense if they went back to the old heat format (although it leaves the second reserve unprotected), which means it probably won't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No one actually thinks reserves are going to get 10+ averages and then be replaced by riders like Woffinden do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No one actually thinks reserves are going to get 10+ averages and then be replaced by riders like Woffinden do they? Woffinden's average is 7.03. Kyle Newman averaged 8.00 in his first four meetings of last season. Would Poole replace Newman with Woffinden if they could? Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) No doubt over the past 48 hours several 'loopholes' will have been unearthed so some teams can eagerly jump into them... This could be the beauty of the BSPA cock up. Fans on here are asking questions, pointing out possibly loop-holes. Meaning when they sit down at the final-final-AGM they will have got the fans to iron out the wrinkles and things will be fixed/fairer. No one actually thinks reserves are going to get 10+ averages and then be replaced by riders like Woffinden do they? Woffys average is about 7.1. Guess what Newman and Garrity averaged last year? About 7.1. I'd say it's very possible if Coventrys first 4 meetings include a visit to Wolves and 3 home meetings he could hit 8 and be replaced by anyone in the World except Nicki or Greg! As it is, I'm assuming we're going back to the "traditional" EL format (the current PL one) so higher averages will be a little harder. Plus draft riders will only be able to be replaced by other draft riders. Edited October 20, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Woffinden's average is 7.03. Kyle Newman averaged 8.00 in his first four meetings of last season. Would Poole replace Newman with Woffinden if they could? Absolutely. If they could, I would suggest it is pretty evident they won’t be able to. I have always enjoyed the early AGM release, but it’s probably time to bin it, it just allows fans the chance to get completely hysterical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) If they could, I would suggest it is pretty evident they won’t be able to. I have always enjoyed the early AGM release, but it’s probably time to bin it, it just allows fans the chance to get completely hysterical. And rightly so usually. Just to clarify AGAIN as some people are continuing to reference it. 6.5 does NOT apply to all new foreign riders. I repeat 6.5 does NOT apply to all new foreign riders. They will be given an assessed average as normal.. any of them that are given an average of 6.5 or above will be added to the heat leader list. That is all it says. So again, NO CHANGE to the assessment of new foreign riders. Edited October 20, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) 1 If a protected reserve because of his rising average moves into the 1-5 does he then become unprotected or does he have a job for the season? 2 If such a rider is in the 1-5 and is long term injured how can he be replaced? 3 If he can be sacked, does he have to be replaced with another draft rider who then becomes "protected" or if he is in 1-5 can he be replaced with a PL rider of the same average as he has achieved? 4 Or do teams have to have 2 protected riders throughout the season, tho not necessarily the same ones. 5 Altho such a rider "has the ability" to move up what happens if either he or his club decide to keep him at reserve? Can they do that...would seem to give clubs with a good reserve a big advantage. Probably I've not worded it very well but neither is the press release Certainly seems to have resulted in more questions than answers, tho I do applaud the effort to help British riders. Edited October 20, 2015 by Star Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 1 If a protected reserve because of his rising average moves into the 1-5 does he then become unprotected or does he have a job for the season? 2 If such a rider is in the 1-5 and is long term injured how can he be replaced? 3 If he can be sacked, does he have to be replaced with another draft rider who then becomes "protected" or if he is in 1-5 can he be replaced with a PL rider of the same average as he has achieved? 4 Or do teams have to have 2 protected riders throughout the season, tho not necessarily the same ones. 5 Altho such a rider "has the ability" to move up what happens if either he or his club decide to keep him at reserve? Can they do that...would seem to give clubs with a good reserve a big advantage. Probably I've not worded it very well but neither is the press release Certainly seems to have resulted in more questions than answers, tho I do applaud the effort to help British riders. What the hell; bamboozled totally; are you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I thought this finally going to be the year for radical changes that there would be planning for the future, that the TR rule would be ditched, there would be many cost cutting suggestions, more promoting of the sport....... As far as im aware there are still many Northern clubs in financial troubles and nothing is going to change that next season, och well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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