SCB Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I would like to see a Meeting time limit rule ... A meeting should take no longer than 1 Hour 30 Minutes, Financial penalties will be issued to the hosting club unless they can provide evidence why the meeting ran over which would only be Accidents which require Air Fence to be fixed and rider treatment/ Hospital trip. Hopefully this sort of rule would encourage everyone to crack on with meetings. The rule say (or did last year) that the 2 minute warning should be sounded within 5 minutes of the end of the previous heat. Add in a minute for the race thats 8 minutes a heat or 120 minutes (minus the 5 mins before heat 1 is 115 mins) - to me the 5 minutes is to allow for 2 on the trot for a rider, otherwise the 2 minutes should be no within 2 minutes. Meaning 75 minutes for a meeting, 10 minutes for an interval, there bound to be 2 or 3 re-runs that add 15 minutes making 90 minutes a night. Also pit gate remains closed unless a crash happens, if it is a unsatifastory start get back to tapes and crack on. That rule exists. Anyone leaving the track before a re-run is excluded unless someone has fallen off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I think FTR riders gaining an average after 4 matches is too soon, too. It's far too small of a number for someone to gain a true average.Should be after 3h & 3a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Heat leaders graded into a list. How will that be decided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 No guests for riders four and five.. A start anyway... However why not tweak the rr rules and use rr for any missing one to five? If No1 is out then any of the team can take his rides (to a max of two extra each)... If No2 is out. No1 takes one ride and then any of the rest of the team can takes his others (again a max of two extra rides for any rider) If No3 is out. Then No2 can take one ride and the rest of the team (4-7) can take the others (again to a max of two extra rides each) If No4 is out the No3 takes one ride and '5-7' takes his others (up to two extra each) If No5 is out then No4, No6 and No7 can divide his rides between them to a max of two extra rides each Riders have ridden seven times in a match before so nothing new there... More income for the riders who may get seven rides, more flexibility for using tactics from the team manager and surely more credibility for the sport rather than 'guests'?? Gaps between races may take longer (but would we notice much difference from what already happens?) This was tried in 1993 when guests were only allowed for an injury to your No 1. It didn't work. Wolves had a meeting with 5 juniors! Effectively lost the league as a result of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Heat leaders graded into a list. How will that be decided?I would hate to think. Is it one list for all heatleaders? Or three different lists, one for the no1 position, one for the 2nd heatleader and one for the third heatleader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The rule say (or did last year) that the 2 minute warning should be sounded within 5 minutes of the end of the previous heat. Add in a minute for the race thats 8 minutes a heat or 120 minutes (minus the 5 mins before heat 1 is 115 mins) - to me the 5 minutes is to allow for 2 on the trot for a rider, otherwise the 2 minutes should be no within 2 minutes. Meaning 75 minutes for a meeting, 10 minutes for an interval, there bound to be 2 or 3 re-runs that add 15 minutes making 90 minutes a night. That rule exists. Anyone leaving the track before a re-run is excluded unless someone has fallen off. How about a ban on changing stuff on bike when a re-run is ordered ? Woffy took advantage in British Final this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 one thing about this FTR rider moving up into main body of team once they get an average, what happens to the rider in the main body that they replace ? do they go into the reserve spot ? weren't FTR riders on a set amount of money per point ? does this change once they go into main body of the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I would like to see a Meeting time limit rule ... A meeting should take no longer than 1 Hour 30 Minutes, Financial penalties will be issued to the hosting club unless they can provide evidence why the meeting ran over which would only be Accidents which require Air Fence to be fixed and rider treatment/ Hospital trip. Hopefully this sort of rule would encourage everyone to crack on with meetings. I understand meetings are time limited but referees don't seem to stick to it. Isn't it 5mins from the end of a heat to the start of the next including the 2min clock? That's 1h15mins excluding intervals. Obviously crashes and 2 rides back to back interfere but surely it's not difficult to be in and around that time frame? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I understand meetings are time limited but referees don't seem to stick to it. Isn't it 5mins from the end of a heat to the start of the next including the 2min clock? That's 1h15mins excluding intervals. Obviously crashes and 2 rides back to back interfere but surely it's not difficult to be in and around that time frame? Then there could be about an hour for juniors, young brit riders or any 2nd half if fans want to stay on. Edited October 19, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 This was tried in 1993 when guests were only allowed for an injury to your No 1. It didn't work. Wolves had a meeting with 5 juniors! Effectively lost the league as a result of that. And that situation would/should need to be managed as 'a one off'... Who knows, a common sense approach may even be chosen... The issue is that the vast majority of 'guests' could be avoided in most instances with some thought... If they are to be used then they should be 'the necessary evil' and only used by clear exception, rather than what they have become today, which is part of a team's tactical plan to win a match and a convenient 'get out' clause for lazy planning and administration.... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 This was tried in 1993 when guests were only allowed for an injury to your No 1. It didn't work. Wolves had a meeting with 5 juniors! Effectively lost the league as a result of that. Oh I don't know, as an Aces fan I would say it worked pretty well!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Oh I don't know, as an Aces fan I would say it worked pretty well!!!! I wondered which Belle Vue fan would be the first! And that situation would/should need to be managed as 'a one off'... Who knows, a common sense approach may even be chosen... The issue is that the vast majority of 'guests' could be avoided in most instances with some thought... If they are to be used then they should be 'the necessary evil' and only used by clear exception, rather than what they have become today, which is part of a team's tactical plan to win a match and a convenient 'get out' clause for lazy planning and administration.... . But then you're back to creating problems again and there will be manipulation. Rules need to be hard and fast, whatever they are. Incidentally, in that season, Wolves asked Ipswich to postpone the fixture, Ipswich didn't want too so the match went ahead. Wolves lost by 2. Riders missing were Ronnie Correy, Charles Ermolenko, Graham Jones, Phil Ashcroft and possibly one more. R/R was allowed for Correy, junior riders for the others. Note, junior, not 6.00 PL riders, but juniors. The best Wolves junior was already riding in the team at reserve. Contrast that to a recent situation where a south coast team postpones a match as they would be missing one rider and another certain south-east team rolls over and allows it. Edited October 19, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Then there could be about an hour for juniors, young brit riders or any 2nd half if fans want to stay on. The problem is getting the ref to stay on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I would make any facility to cover an injury/sickness/compassionate leave absence of any kind to be a minimum 2 weeks, no matter what. It would stop clubs manipulating horses for courses tactics. After that time if a rider has managed to complete 2 or more meetings abroad but is still somehow unfit to ride here then no facility at all Edited October 19, 2015 by Oldace 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) News come in that Poole have been allowed to used Newman in the draft and he have been seeded number 8 in the first pool meaning Poole will have first pick in the second draft . Edited October 19, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The problem is getting the ref to stay on. No it isn't. Referees stay until all programmed heats have been run. After that, the meeting is declared closed and the track can then run free practice for as long as they want, provided the meeting hasn't been abandoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 And that situation would/should need to be managed as 'a one off'... Who knows, a common sense approach may even be chosen... The issue is that the vast majority of 'guests' could be avoided in most instances with some thought... If they are to be used then they should be 'the necessary evil' and only used by clear exception, rather than what they have become today, which is part of a team's tactical plan to win a match and a convenient 'get out' clause for lazy planning and administration.... . I have suggested previously that if both teams have a rider missing for whatever reason then they should both bring in a number eight instead of guests of the same average as those missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Yet again a rule of Premier league average for riders who've rode in the Elite League for 2 seasons has been implemented. Only one club benefits from that AGAIN & these weak promotors allow it to happen😡😡 Can't wait for the heat leader seeding fiasco to be revealed as bet that benefits a certain club as well. These promoters would vote for Christmas if they were Turkeys as they really are weak & wonder why crowds are continuing to decline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 So riders such as Lindgren, Nicholls, Hans Andersen etc.. will no doubt be on the 'heat leader list'. That list will obviously be quite limited as no big names are likely to be attracted to the league. Due to the FTR conversions, the pts limit is going to be high, i.e. teams will be struggling to reach it. It's going to boil down to who can get the best of the non heat leader list... We all know who that will be! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Can't see the draft system working now. Let's go hypothetical here. Kerr or Garrity obtain (absolutely possible) a 10 average from 4 meetings, could they then get replaced by Nicki Pedersen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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