Alan_Jones Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Surely once someone buys one of these they'll take it apart and add the super parts to it. Why is it any different to now? If that article was in English we might have found out but Google Translate can't handle Ermolenkese. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Surely once someone buys one of these they'll take it apart and add the super parts to it. Why is it any different to now? they could actually do something and make rules to stop this but then that far to radical speedway and purge the sport of the dreaded tuners once and for all stem the income stream and they will disappear leaving the sport once and for all at league level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 they could actually do something and make rules to stop this but then that far to radical speedway and purge the sport of the dreaded tuners once and for all stem the income stream and they will disappear leaving the sport once and for all at league levelPersonally would love to see that but why do you need new engines to do that? Why couldn't they do that with the old style engines? As it is, I don't see what engine tuners add to the sport. They just take money. I get why riders use them but ban then, eradicate them in some other way and I don't see how the sport will be any worse for it. But will be richer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Personally would love to see that but why do you need new engines to do that? Why couldn't they do that with the old style engines? As it is, I don't see what engine tuners add to the sport. They just take money. I get why riders use them but ban then, eradicate them in some other way and I don't see how the sport will be any worse for it. But will be richer! It would appear that a GM out of the box cant be used and needs work on it to make it usable don't ask me why but that's what I have read Edited October 11, 2015 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 It would appear that a GM out of the box cant be used and needs work on it to make it usable don't ask me why but that's what I have read So the Tuners can make money - and lots of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Sam was a bit more lucid today and, from the sound of it, it's intended to be like the 150cc youth box class, with no tuning allowed & serviced with only standard parts to give young riders an easier ride when they switch to senior classes. Price is intended to be under £2.5k. He also said he'd like to run the odd meeting with top riders all on equal equipment but I can't see many buying into that. 7 of the main meeting riders had two heats & a final with times within a couple of seconds slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Sam was a bit more lucid today and, from the sound of it, it's intended to be like the 150cc youth box class, with no tuning allowed & serviced with only standard parts to give young riders an easier ride when they switch to senior classes. Price is intended to be under £2.5k. He also said he'd like to run the odd meeting with top riders all on equal equipment but I can't see many buying into that. 7 of the main meeting riders had two heats & a final with times within a couple of seconds slower. Sounds promising you would not notice the difference in the time Edited October 11, 2015 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Sounds promising you would not notice the difference in the time That's right, it looked no different to the previous 13 heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 It didn't look any different to the preceding meeting, the engines were a bit quieter and very slightly slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 the other Sam, Simota has been using a prototype one at Plymouth on occassion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Whether its this new Jawa engine or the Gerrard engine (the one Chris Harris using) or any other that comes along, I think its good for speedway. Got to get the costs down, and competition among engine manufacturers will help to do that, and get the youngsters riding bikes that are more easily manageable, let them develop into the faster bikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Whether its this new Jawa engine or the Gerrard engine (the one Chris Harris using) or any other that comes along, I think its good for speedway. Got to get the costs down, and competition among engine manufacturers will help to do that, and get the youngsters riding bikes that are more easily manageable, let them develop into the faster bikes. It might force a few Tuners to reduce their Prices too? :shock: :nono: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I can't make my mind up what he means by increased cylinder head capacity. Is he referring to the combustion chamber volume i.e. lower compression, or have I misread it and he actually means the engine actually has a greater swept volume? Help please someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Lower compression, all part of giving new riders a 'softer' engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Is it the same engine that Martin Smolinski is using? If so maybe it's a "600"??? ☺☺☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 I can't make my mind up what he means by increased cylinder head capacity. Is he referring to the combustion chamber volume i.e. lower compression, or have I misread it and he actually means the engine actually has a greater swept volume? Help please someone? Lower compression, all part of giving new riders a 'softer' engine. Why didn't he just say so? You can lower the compression just by using a packer or thicker gasket, so I don't understand all the guff about more material in the head. Actually, increasing the capacity (by the accepted definition, i.e. swept volume) would be a better idea. Whatever, I agree with many others on here that riders will continue to spend megabucks on tuners and special parts as long as they an afford to. A ban on certain exotic / expensive materials would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Why didn't he just say so? You can lower the compression just by using a packer or thicker gasket, so I don't understand all the guff about more material in the head. Actually, increasing the capacity (by the accepted definition, i.e. swept volume) would be a better idea. Whatever, I agree with many others on here that riders will continue to spend megabucks on tuners and special parts as long as they an afford to. A ban on certain exotic / expensive materials would be a start. It turns out that he was talking about swept volume, the engines are 570cc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 It turns out that he was talking about swept volume, the engines are 570cc. So it's completely pointless as far as Speedway is concerned??? A bit like me inventing a cricket bat that helps defend more of the wicket....it's 2 feet wide.....oh, and it can't be used in a cricket match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 So it's completely pointless as far as Speedway is concerned??? A bit like me inventing a cricket bat that helps defend more of the wicket....it's 2 feet wide.....oh, and it can't be used in a cricket match. No, he's talking about running as a separate class as an extension to the youth classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 No, he's talking about running as a separate class as an extension to the youth classes. But youths are restricted by age (quite rightly) to 125/150cc and 250cc, with over 14s moving up to full-sized 500s. What use is an oversized engine to anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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