BWitcher Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/10/speedway-ermolenko-to-launch-new-engine-at-abbey-farewell/ Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere on the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/10/speedway-ermolenko-to-launch-new-engine-at-abbey-farewell/ Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere on the forum. Yes has been mentioned on End of Era meeting at Swindon but probably still worth its own thread here. No doubt there will be some reports and comments after the meeting. Edited October 6, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Sounds promising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Just keep all those tuners away from it are we finally freeing the sport at least at league level of these parasites who bring nothing to the sport except unnecessary cost ,let Tai & co keep them in the Olsen circus . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Just keep all those tuners away from it are we finally freeing the sport at least at league level of these parasites who bring nothing to the sport except unnecessary cost ,let Tai & co keep them in the Olsen circus . I do have a certain sympathy for those comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Is this the one Smolinski has been working on with them too ? ( the one that's full of GroBewachter special parts)… So much for standard non tuned engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 ...the thing I’ve been working on will overcome those regulations... Overcoming regulations??? Yep, that'll be a speedway engine for sure then. Matt Ford would have been proud of that quote. See a regulation...don't obey it, overcome it! Yeah, the way forward. Still that's Sam for you. He can't commentate without making a hash of his words, so what do you expect as a spokesperson for a new product? Looking at the gist of the press release though, it does look like it will be an "entry level" bike. So how about this for an idea then? How about National League racing being restricted to the new Jawa and Gerhard engines only? See how that goes for a season or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Overcoming regulations??? Yep, that'll be a speedway engine for sure then. Matt Ford would have been proud of that quote. See a regulation...don't obey it, overcome it! Yeah, the way forward. Still that's Sam for you. He can't commentate without making a hash of his words, so what do you expect as a spokesperson for a new product? Looking at the gist of the press release though, it does look like it will be an "entry level" bike. So how about this for an idea then? How about National League racing being restricted to the new Jawa and Gerhard engines only? See how that goes for a season or two? Im sure all the NL riders will be delighted to hear you are buying them new Jawa's / Gerhard engines for the next season or two! These engines will not take off overnight because existing riders have existing equipment they have already spent good money on. No rider at what ever level is going to be interested in a bike described as "enough for a beginner" when their counterparts will be on EL / GP level equipment as many are now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 NL/DL riders are usually on second-hand equipment; not many could afford to buy new engines! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hope this engine works better than the one Sudden Sam backed on Dragon's Den! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Im sure all the NL riders will be delighted to hear you are buying them new Jawa's / Gerhard engines for the next season or two! These engines will not take off overnight because existing riders have existing equipment they have already spent good money on. No rider at what ever level is going to be interested in a bike described as "enough for a beginner" when their counterparts will be on EL / GP level equipment as many are now. For change to happen something has to "give" prehaps there maybe a maket for them in the PL with the understanding that the new engines must used say in the PL in 2yrs time and the present engines would be phased out with the EL following suit 1yr later .This would allow everyone to adjust and the financial loss would be small if any and give the rocket ship tuners time to find new jobs or fight over the GP business. Edited October 7, 2015 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 For change to happen something has to "give" prehaps there maybe a maket for them in the PL with the understanding that the new engines must used say in the PL in 2yrs time and the present engines would be phased out with the EL following suit 1yr later .This would allow everyone to adjust and the financial loss would be small if any and give the rocket ship tuners time to find new jobs or fight over the GP business. Exactly, I don't think it is a 'bang...there you go...new engine to buy now crack on'. It's something that could be phased in. If these engines are a fraction of the price and cost a lot less in terms of maintenance then that has to be a good thing surely? And something that is quite often called for on this forum when talking about why entrance prices are so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sadly until Jawa / whoever produce an engine that is superior to the current GM's and cheaper to maintain things will stay the same. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 These engines will not take off overnight because existing riders have existing equipment they have already spent good money on. It would be interesting to see what the cost of a second hand GM plus ongoing tuning / maintenance costs are compared to what are promised to be a almost tuner-free new Gerhard or Jawa. If these bikes are more beginner-friendly, then maybe they will help avoid injuries to the newcomers thus keeping them earning for longer in the season instead of these GP-standard bucking broncos that so many of them can't handle. As JJ has said, NL riders get their equipment second hand, so there's the time when they have to make a decision. A new low-maintenance and high track time bike that will keep you earning and keeping your money, or a second hand GM that will keep the tuners and hospitals more occupied than you. No rider at what ever level is going to be interested in a bike described as "enough for a beginner" when their counterparts will be on EL / GP level equipment as many are now. In every other class of motorsport, people go up through the classes. You don't hand a 16yo a second hand MotoGP bike and tell him to get on with it...these guys go through the 125cc / 250cc classes on their way to the top. Even Valentino Rossi had to do that. Speedway riders should be no different. If it means "Formula 2" bikes at the lower leagues then so be it. Keep the riders on the bikes that they can handle whilst they are learning their craft. They learn nothing in the Ambulance. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It would be interesting to see what the cost of a second hand GM plus ongoing tuning / maintenance costs are compared to what are promised to be a almost tuner-free new Gerhard or Jawa. If these bikes are more beginner-friendly, then maybe they will help avoid injuries to the newcomers thus keeping them earning for longer in the season instead of these GP-standard bucking broncos that so many of them can't handle. As JJ has said, NL riders get their equipment second hand, so there's the time when they have to make a decision. A new low-maintenance and high track time bike that will keep you earning and keeping your money, or a second hand GM that will keep the tuners and hospitals more occupied than you. In every other class of motorsport, people go up through the classes. You don't hand a 16yo a second hand MotoGP bike and tell him to get on with it...these guys go through the 125cc / 250cc classes on their way to the top. Even Valentino Rossi had to do that. Speedway riders should be no different. If it means "Formula 2" bikes at the lower leagues then so be it. Keep the riders on the bikes that they can handle whilst they are learning their craft. They learn nothing in the Ambulance. I will never oppose anything that makes the sport safer and agree that there are far too many throttle jockeys that can wind on a quick engine and get away with it rather than develop skills over time. Costs may well match up (2nd hand GM £2000 + 4 x service @ £500 = £4000) vs (new Jawa / Gerhard £4000 + 1 x service £unknown) but its the results fans, promoter's and riders want. No point being on a cost effective engine if you are constantly running last places. I agree that handing GP level bikes to 14 year olds sounds crazy but will be happening from next season. The reason that riders don't get to learn their trade is lack of time to develop the skills required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I will never oppose anything that makes the sport safer and agree that there are far too many throttle jockeys that can wind on a quick engine and get away with it rather than develop skills over time. Costs may well match up (2nd hand GM £2000 + 4 x service @ £500 = £4000) vs (new Jawa / Gerhard £4000 + 1 x service £unknown) but its the results fans, promoter's and riders want. No point being on a cost effective engine if you are constantly running last places. I agree that handing GP level bikes to 14 year olds sounds crazy but will be happening from next season. The reason that riders don't get to learn their trade is lack of time to develop the skills required. and the fact that as soon as they can get round 4 times , they are the next world champion and team managers start chucking NL places at them . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Not true. These days, riders have to serve their apprenticeship, going from amateur racing to development league then to the NL. The latter is a big jump - as big as the jump from NL to PL. As Tony Mole said last night, 'the National League is not a development league, it is a professional league'. I can assure you that managers do NOT 'chuck NL places' at riders who can only just 'get round four times'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 More info put out today http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2568.1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 More info put out today http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2568.1 Sounds great Aleksandr. But will it be allowed in League Speedway? I couldn't care less about GP Speedway - they can do their own thing if they wish - and are able to afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 More info put out today http://www.swindonrobins.co/news.php?extend.2568.1 Surely once someone buys one of these they'll take it apart and add the super parts to it. Why is it any different to now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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