Swindon 2016 - A New Era Starts...we Thought..

[hyabb17]

I see all the trolls are out again, this is one reason I hate this forum. Yes people are entitled to an opinion but when's it's just for rises, grow up & get a life.

 

 

The league isn't won in June, it's September/October, I'm guna enjoy reminding people of this come that time. We will go again!!!

Edited June 2, 2016 by hyabb17

[Game On]

I see all the trolls are out again, this is one reason I hate this forum. Yes people are entitled to an opinion but when's it's just for rises, grow up & get a life.

 

 

The league isn't won in June, it's September/October, I'm guna enjoy reminding people of this come that time. We will go again!!!

Someone's touchy

[JOS50]

Any new stadium news, or is it still no new stadium blues?

Edited June 3, 2016 by JOS50

[DunRobin]

I see all the trolls are out again, this is one reason I hate this forum. Yes people are entitled to an opinion but when's it's just for rises, grow up & get a life.

 

 

The league isn't won in June, it's September/October, I'm guna enjoy reminding people of this come that time. We will go again!!!

And it isn't won by performances like that. It's no good saying the trolls are out as it is not the first time this season that they have performed like this. The problems started when we did not get a suitable replacement for North. Yes Tungate scored well at reserve but he is not being paid as a reserve! Whenever he is in the main body of the team, he struggles & last night he was not the only one. It seems this team performs well when their tails are up (just like a robin) but when the chips are down, confidence flies out of the window. If you replace Tungate, it needs to be done now whilst he is on an artificially high average!

[JOS50]

The revised matters has had an update.......good news for the doomsayers...it's all got worse!!! where's rmc and arnieg? check it out for a chuckle!

[A ORLOV]

The revised matters has had an update.......good news for the doomsayers...it's all got worse!!! where's rmc and arnieg? check it out for a chuckle!

That will be interesting getting people to car share etc and structuring the parking price on single or multiple occupied vehicles for the 928 vehicle spaces, 479 at the stadium and 449 at the Park and Ride.

One sensible part is the reintroduction of bus transport to and from the stadium, providing the fares are not too high.

I hope they will be providing security staff at the park and ride while the meeting is on.

[arnieg]

The revised matters has had an update.......good news for the doomsayers...it's all got worse!!! where's rmc and arnieg? check it out for a chuckle!

 

No bats, and a transport plan - seems like progress. However if the fire station is built there will be less than 250 parking spaces - can't see that working well.

 

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/40F38735A36ABEFC9AD70C94C0A429BF/pdf/S_RES_16_0036-GENERAL_ARRANGEMENT-535372.pdf

[JOS50]

 

No bats, and a transport plan - seems like progress. However if the fire station is built there will be less than 250 parking spaces - can't see that working well.

 

http://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/40F38735A36ABEFC9AD70C94C0A429BF/pdf/S_RES_16_0036-GENERAL_ARRANGEMENT-535372.pdf

The new stadium encroaches on the old even further than before, I reckon.

[remembertheracers]

Sounds like the average punter wont be able to park there. 250 covers the Ambulance(s) riders, track staff, officials, press presumably

 

And a total park availability of less than 1000 cars.

 

Does not sound practical or sustainable. Stadium parking £10? Park and ride costs - who knows, but more than £5 surely.

[bruno]

for the first time I really don't think this is going to happen, could be the end I reckon. hope not

[A ORLOV]

Sounds like the average punter wont be able to park there. 250 covers the Ambulance(s) riders, track staff, officials, press presumably

 

And a total park availability of less than 1000 cars.

 

Does not sound practical or sustainable. Stadium parking £10? Park and ride costs - who knows, but more than £5 surely.

They have allocated 66 spaces for staff, officials etc.

[hyabb17]

So if we do make a change it must be like for like on the averages based on Wolves bringing PK in for Bech. Interesting to see what the next few weeks hold, lady meeting for a while tomorrow.

[RobMcCaffery]

The revised matters has had an update.......good news for the doomsayers...it's all got worse!!! where's rmc and arnieg? check it out for a chuckle!I

I am certainly NOT a doomsayer. I want Swindon Speedway to survive and prosper , if necessary in a new stadium.

 

It is not good news to hear that there are further problems. I would be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong and to ultimately take a seat in a new stadium and am appalled you think I would be pleased to hear there are further problems.

 

However, objective reading of the council documents plus professional analyses by Arnieg and the writer of the article on Speedway Plus reveal severe problems with the application that show it cannot be approved without significant changes.

 

Given how far into this project the developers should be and the time taken to get to this dreadfully incomplete state of affairs, plus GI's appalling past record with proposed replacement stadia you have to be severely concerned that they may be deliberately failing to produce an acceptable planning application in the hope that they can hold out and complete the housing estate without the nuisance of building a replacement stadium.

 

That's not 'doomsaying' for the sake of it like the rubbish that was spouted about Belle Vue's new stadium, it's trying to sound alarm bells amongst the complacent who seem to have little grasp of the seriousness of the situation and choose to believe the P.R. they're being fed.

 

I'm no planning expert but I know how to read and understand primary source documents as on the council website. There are two people who are experts and who have also voiced real concerns. I would suggest you read their comments before making yours.

 

Unlike too many on here for me it's not about being proved right. I am merely trying to help people understand that the current problems are certainly not 'excuses' but serious sticking points that at present will not let the project go ahead.

 

Where am I? Keeping an eye on the situation and trying to avoid the bull being spouted by those without a clue about what they're talking about.

 

Sometimes you really do wonder why you bother.

Sounds like the average punter wont be able to park there. 250 covers the Ambulance(s) riders, track staff, officials, press presumably

 

And a total park availability of less than 1000 cars.

 

Does not sound practical or sustainable. Stadium parking £10? Park and ride costs - who knows, but more than £5 surely.

The council documents quote financial penalties on the stadium owners unless there is a significant rise in car-sharing going to the new stadium.

 

It also talks of a park and ride bus service. What it doesn't say is where this bus service will come from. At present there are no bus services in the evenings to the stadium and haven't been for some time. Given the crowds attending speedway and greyhound racing today the chances of getting a bus operator to put on a service from the park and ride site to the track is pretty slim.

 

Council subsidies for bus services are being cut all around the country and it is highly unlikely that Swindon council will subsidise the service.

 

So, it's left to the stadium owners of the speedway promotion to fund this bus service, or at least take the significant commercial risk. This will be on top of the risk of financial penalties if they can't persuade supporters to car share and the cost of increasing sound insulation after three meetings if the intended barrier doesn't meet the required spec.

 

Factor in the need to thoroughly review the required car park design changes, road access to the park and ride site itself and changing significant aspects of the current grandstand plans so that it meets current building regulations and it all looks a total mess.

 

The big question is whether it's a deliberate mess, trying to force the issue and have the plans quietly dropped?

Edited June 3, 2016 by rmc

[JOS50]

I am certainly NOT a doomsayer. I want Swindon Speedway to survive and prosper , if necessary in a new stadium.

 

It is not good news to hear that there are further problems. I would be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong and to ultimately take a seat in a new stadium and am appalled you think I would be pleased to hear there are further problems.

 

However, objective reading of the council documents plus professional analyses by Arnieg and the writer of the article on Speedway Plus reveal severe problems with the application that show it cannot be approved without significant changes.

 

Given how far into this project the developers should be and the time taken to get to this dreadfully incomplete state of affairs, plus GI's appalling past record with proposed replacement stadia you have to be severely concerned that they may be deliberately failing to produce an acceptable planning application in the hope that they can hold out and complete the housing estate without the nuisance of building a replacement stadium.

 

That's not 'doomsaying' for the sake of it like the rubbish that was spouted about Belle Vue's new stadium, it's trying to sound alarm bells amongst the complacent who seem to have little grasp of the seriousness of the situation and choose to believe the P.R. they're being fed.

 

I'm no planning expert but I know how to read and understand primary source documents as on the council website. There are two people who are experts and who have also voiced real concerns. I would suggest you read their comments before making yours.

 

Unlike too many on here for me it's not about being proved right. I am merely trying to help people understand that the current problems are certainly not 'excuses' but serious sticking points that at present will not let the project go ahead.

 

Where am I? Keeping an eye on the situation and trying to avoid the bull being spouted by those without a clue about what they're talking about.

 

Sometimes you really do wonder why you bother.

The council documents quote financial penalties on the stadium owners unless there is a significant rise in car-sharing going to the new stadium.

 

It also talks of a park and ride bus service. What it doesn't say is where this bus service will come from. At present there are no bus services in the evenings to the stadium and haven't been for some time. Given the crowds attending speedway and greyhound racing today the chances of getting a bus operator to put on a service from the park and ride site to the track is pretty slim.

 

Council subsidies for bus services are being cut all around the country and it is highly unlikely that Swindon council will subsidise the service.

 

So, it's left to the stadium owners of the speedway promotion to fund this bus service, or at least take the significant commercial risk. This will be on top of the risk of financial penalties if they can't persuade supporters to car share and the cost of increasing sound insulation after three meetings if the intended barrier doesn't meet the required spec.

 

Factor in the need to thoroughly review the required car park design changes, road access to the park and ride site itself and changing significant aspects of the current grandstand plans so that it meets current building regulations and it all looks a total mess.

 

The big question is whether it's a deliberate mess, trying to force the issue and have the plans quietly dropped?

Don't take on so, I'm the no 1 doomsayer, didn't mean you, I live close by, unfortunately in Justin Tomlinson's constituency, the M.P. who saved Swindon speedway, just wanted your opinion, but now see the error of my post. I'm no writer I'm sticking with spanners from now on. I respect your views and apologise, best of luck to all the optimists.

Edited June 4, 2016 by JOS50

[A ORLOV]

It was in the transport report that the Speedway would have to provide the transport to and from the park and ride, point 4.6 of the Travel Plan, and not the Council paying for it.

I would also expect that the Speedway would have to pay for the busses from Swindon to and from the stadium, which is the same as used to happen.

What has probably been clobbered is the hope and desire to run major speedway events.

There may be more news about car parking in the next month or two.

[SteveLyric2]

I wonder what the Robins recent new 50% owners think about the latest news?!

 

...And as prominent local business people, do they have any positive influence with the Planners/developers/councillors?

Edited June 4, 2016 by Skidder1

[Steve Shovlar]

There is a fairly simple solution to the parking issue. Build a multi storey carpark.

 

Sorted.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

[A ORLOV]

There is a fairly simple solution to the parking issue. Build a multi storey carpark.

 

Sorted.

You will have to run a coach from Poole

[Steve Shovlar]

 

You will have to run a coach from Poole

Why? Poole fans usually turn up early. We will just grab all the spaces before the locals turn up. Edited June 4, 2016 by Steve Shovlar

[MattK]

I wonder what the Robins recent new 50% owners think about the latest news?!

 

...And as prominent local business people, do they have any positive influence with the Planners/developers/councillors?

 

Depends how much they "paid" for their 50% stake in a business which I'm fairly sure makes a loss every year. Swindon's assets have got to be worth six figures.