stratton Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 The SCB announcement itself is somewhat contradictory if you compare the opening part with the summary of what was agreed, but taking the the summary of what was agreed it appears they are talking about a tier 1 riders only having averages.For the moment I am presuming they know what they agreed but apart from what is coming out from certain clubs, notably Swindon (Rosco in speaking goobledegook shock! ) some posters are either putting there own spin on it or basing their comments on what they have heard rather than what was said. In answer to side point though it doesn't appear there is any conspiratorial secrecy just the usual time it takes to get the rules published. No other branch of motor cycle sport appears to have published its regulations for 2016 and as far as I know the ACU Handbook for 2016 is not out yet, so it's hardly dilatory . The other thing is that we don't know yet what if any changes have to be made to comply with FIM regulations for example to technical standards to bikes, silencers and tracks, which has to be incorporated in the 2016 Speedwáy Regs. It's all very well for you to get on your high horse Sid but I don't think this sort of delay as it stands so far is unusual for any branch of motor sport, although I would agre that if the regs don't come out until February as I think was the case last season or the season before is pretty poor. I am not getting on my horse, but what is different nothing planned as usual MICKY MOUSE comes to mind every year nothing in place.If you had an impartial body looking at things for the benefit of the whole sport,i am sure things would be pushed through quicker two many people looking after there own self interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Would we go for a final 3 riders of Nick, Zengi & Musiek who looks to be not at Wolves in 2016. I really can't see Rosco letting Nick go & I'm sure he would've given other teams his blessing to talk to Zengi early if he wasn't in our plans. With Wolves signing Bech that is their 3 heat leaders & surely they would've wanted Zengi which would leave Coventry as his only other choice if Swindon don't want him. Just can't see Rosco leaving Zengi without a team in Britain in 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Zengy shouldn't be classed as a hl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Would we go for a final 3 riders of Nick, Zengi & Musiek who looks to be not at Wolves in 2016. I really can't see Rosco letting Nick go & I'm sure he would've given other teams his blessing to talk to Zengi early if he wasn't in our plans. With Wolves signing Bech that is their 3 heat leaders & surely they would've wanted Zengi which would leave Coventry as his only other choice if Swindon don't want him. Just can't see Rosco leaving Zengi without a team in Britain in 2016. In fairness we don't know who is or isn't on the HL list yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Zengy shouldn't be classed as a hlThe issue is that they're doing it on feeling and opinion. He's a near 8 point man, so he's a heat leader. He has to ride as a heat leader too. The only argument is if you used the number of meetings ridden as heat leader bt as son as you throw that idea away you have no option but to make him a heat leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 In fairness we don't know who is or isn't on the HL list yet! You're right us mushrooms don't but the promotors do. The issue is that they're doing it on feeling and opinion. He's a near 8 point man, so he's a heat leader. He has to ride as a heat leader too. The only argument is if you used the number of meetings ridden as heat leader bt as son as you throw that idea away you have no option but to make him a heat leader. He averaged 5.4 from his few meetings as a heat leader so he's too good to be a 2nd string & not good enough to be a heat leader. Either way I hope he's back at Swindon as he wants to ride for us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Zengi is on a false average but if Rosco wants him as a heat leader he would be welcomed by many even though he is using up points that could go to give us a stronger second string rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Do you still have room for Bratchelor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Zengi depends on whether he is being classed as a heat leader, as usual no details of who are being classed as heat leaders & who are 2nd strings. The clubs must know, as how else can they declare riders without that info. Stop treating the fans like mushrooms & let us know. It's not going to change the world by us knowing. With-holding that info could cause people to think that something underhand might be happening. As if that would happen in speedway! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 So if Greg is a second string but has a higher average than Nick, who is a heatleader, who rides in the heatleader position in the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 So if Greg is a second string but has a higher average than Nick, who is a heatleader, who rides in the heatleader position in the team? As I understand it Nick would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 No Killer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 No Killer? Good rider with an average of 7.10 and would like him in the team but may have the same issue as last year with too many meetings elsewhere, no doubt a possible play off rider if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I would have thought Peter would be first on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I would have thought Peter would be first on the list. I would've thought Magic would be the first on Poole's list?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 So if Greg is a second string but has a higher average than Nick, who is a heatleader, who rides in the heatleader position in the team?im sure I read someone that the "heat leaders" may not actually ride as heat leaders - riding order will be determined by average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 You never know there may be another rule change that allows each team manager to put his 1-5 in any order??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 im sure I read someone that the "heat leaders" may not actually ride as heat leaders - riding order will be determined by average. But they also said that riders would be graded, from that I believe they will look at what riding position those points were scored at. In general, riders 2 & 4 had easier rides & as such this will be taken into account. However, we will never truly know how they decide it, because as sure eggs are eggs, that information will not be available to the money spending punters ("mushrooms"), even under the 30 year disclosure rule. You will have more chance of seeing a government's misdemeanours than the BSPA's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 If Swindon choose to have Zengi 7.79 in the team it does not matter if he is classed as a heat leader or not as you can't have him and fit another 2 heat leaders in the team having already signed Doyle 9.44 Sedgman 4.70 the two res combined 7.13 leaves you with 11.44 to play with. The issue is that they're doing it on feeling and opinion. He's a near 8 point man, so he's a heat leader. He has to ride as a heat leader too. The only argument is if you used the number of meetings ridden as heat leader bt as son as you throw that idea away you have no option but to make him a heat leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 If Swindon choose to have Zengi 7.79 in the team it does not matter if he is classed as a heat leader or not as you can't have him and fit another 2 heat leaders in the team having already signed Doyle 9.44 Sedgman 4.70 the two res combined 7.13 leaves you with 11.44 to play with. Maybe not for Swindon you could do as Wolves have done, sign Joonas, Bech and Lindgren as heat leaders, they can still fit in Zengi as a second string - so if the BSPA have decided he's a second string they're fine but if theyve made him a heat leader Wolves can't fit him in as they have 3 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.