The White Knight Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 watched him last year at stoke will struggle in PL, Like all youngsters - he must be given a decent run and not get discarded after a couple of failures. This has happened to far too many British Riders in the past..... I am, of course, talking about all British Speedway Teams and not specifically Redcar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Like all youngsters - he must be given a decent run and not get discarded after a couple of failures. This has happened to far too many British Riders in the past..... I am, of course, talking about all British Speedway Teams and not specifically Redcar. Payne's 29. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 Payne's 29. Yes - but compared to The White Knight (and me) he's a youngster! Sounds like Havvy senior has never seen him ride either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvm Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Payne's 29. He might be a late flourisher :rolf: Edited November 13, 2015 by pvm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Payne's 29. So under 2015 regs he isn't eligible to double-up (by virtue of being over 25), so he is no longer eligible for the NL and therefore isn't eligible for the number 7 role. So are we to assume a rule change that we haven't been told about? Edited November 14, 2015 by Islander15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Same as Glasgow's number 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Same as Glasgow's number 7? Ayres and Chapman were given special dispensation by the BSPA this year to double-up by virtue of them only recently starting the sport. So this may be extended to Payne. Edited November 14, 2015 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Ayres and Chapman were given special dispensation by the BSPA this year to double-up by virtue of them only recently starting the sport. So this may be extended to Payne.Just change the rules as the problems arise,nothing new there.!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Ayres and Chapman were given special dispensation by the BSPA this year to double-up by virtue of them only recently starting the sport. So this may be extended to Payne. Exactly and Payne has only ridden for three seasons, while some of the younger number 7s have been at it as long as Tai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I'll stick my neck over the parapet. How about a team that appears from everything we read on the internet to be achievable because of riders who at the moment are apparently surplus to requirements with other clubs (and transfer requests etc!) As it appears that Matej Kus is off to pastures new (and Newcastle is a much bandied about name) and as Mr. Havelock Snr. is well renown for his situation regarding loans/transfers why not a rider swap we give them Kus and we get Anton Rosen (plus probably a very small fee)? Then assume that Hugh Skidmore will return (fitness pending) - will be surprised if this doesn't happen - 2 times Bear of the Year and the fans have contributed towards his recent operation. Will be a gamble after nearly a year out but Hugh deserves to be given the chance. Then we look at Ipswich. Neither Rohan Tungate or Cameron Heeps appear to be on their retained list. Don't know their circumstances regarding riding in the North East but what the Hell, let's ask! A team like this (what I'd call a Berwick team- strength in depth - got them through to giddy heights of the play-offs a couple of times recently, something we at Redcar can only dream about) would look something like this:- 1 Lasse Bjerre 2 Cameron Heeps 3 Rohan Tungate 4 Jonas B Anderson 5 Hugh Skidmore 6 Anton Rosen 7 Lee Payne I'm sure Rosen would start the season as the highest averaged number 6 and should be well capable of increasing his average against some of the number 7's named so far and if the worst comes to the worst and people in the main team hit problems Heeps/Skidmore as number 6 still sounds good to me - both well capable of scoring points at reserve (I haven't included JBA in this because I only see one path for him (Hope I'm right!)) Sure there are better teams available (I know there are) but I'm only trying to make a team with what appears available at this moment in time and I realise this depends on riders wanting to ride in the North East/for Redcar & for Mr. Havelock! Edited November 16, 2015 by Boothers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I'll stick my neck over the parapet. How about a team that appears from everything we read on the internet to be achievable because of riders who at the moment are apparently surplus to requirements with other clubs (and transfer requests etc!) As it appears that Matej Kus is off to pastures new (and Newcastle is a much bandied about name) and as Mr. Havelock Snr. is well renown for his situation regarding loans/transfers why not a rider swap we give them Kus and we get Anton Rosen (plus probably a very small fee)? Then assume that Hugh Skidmore will return (fitness pending) - will be surprised if this doesn't happen - 2 times Bear of the Year and the fans have contributed towards his recent operation. Will be a gamble after nearly a year out but Hugh deserves to be given the chance. Then we look at Ipswich. Neither Rohan Tungate or Cameron Heeps appear to be on their retained list. Don't know their circumstances regarding riding in the North East but what the Hell, let's ask! A team like this (what I'd call a Berwick team- strength in depth - got them through to giddy heights of the play-offs a couple of times recently, something we at Redcar can only dream about) would look something like this:- 1 Lasse Bjerre 2 Cameron Heeps 3 Rohan Tungate 4 Jonas B Anderson 5 Hugh Skidmore 6 Anton Rosen 7 Lee Payne I'm sure Rosen would start the season as the highest averaged number 6 and should be well capable of increasing his average against some of the number 7's named so far and if the worst comes to the worst and people in the main team hit problems Heeps/Skidmore as number 6 still sounds good to me - both well capable of scoring points at reserve (I haven't included JBA in this because I only see one path for him (Hope I'm right!)) Sure there are better teams available (I know there are) but I'm only trying to make a team with what appears available at this moment in time and I realise this depends on riders wanting to ride in the North East/for Redcar & for Mr. Havelock! I could imagine far worse lineups than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I could imagine far worse lineups than that. Unfortunately so can I! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I'll stick my neck over the parapet. How about a team that appears from everything we read on the internet to be achievable because of riders who at the moment are apparently surplus to requirements with other clubs (and transfer requests etc!) As it appears that Matej Kus is off to pastures new (and Newcastle is a much bandied about name) and as Mr. Havelock Snr. is well renown for his situation regarding loans/transfers why not a rider swap we give them Kus and we get Anton Rosen (plus probably a very small fee)? Then assume that Hugh Skidmore will return (fitness pending) - will be surprised if this doesn't happen - 2 times Bear of the Year and the fans have contributed towards his recent operation. Will be a gamble after nearly a year out but Hugh deserves to be given the chance. Then we look at Ipswich. Neither Rohan Tungate or Cameron Heeps appear to be on their retained list. Don't know their circumstances regarding riding in the North East but what the Hell, let's ask! A team like this (what I'd call a Berwick team- strength in depth - got them through to giddy heights of the play-offs a couple of times recently, something we at Redcar can only dream about) would look something like this:- 1 Lasse Bjerre 2 Cameron Heeps 3 Rohan Tungate 4 Jonas B Anderson 5 Hugh Skidmore 6 Anton Rosen 7 Lee Payne I'm sure Rosen would start the season as the highest averaged number 6 and should be well capable of increasing his average against some of the number 7's named so far and if the worst comes to the worst and people in the main team hit problems Heeps/Skidmore as number 6 still sounds good to me - both well capable of scoring points at reserve (I haven't included JBA in this because I only see one path for him (Hope I'm right!)) Sure there are better teams available (I know there are) but I'm only trying to make a team with what appears available at this moment in time and I realise this depends on riders wanting to ride in the North East/for Redcar & for Mr. Havelock! Only problem I can see with Rosen is if he rides in the Alsvenskan league on a Thursday. Mind you I don't think Tungate and Heeps will be coming to Redcar, but I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I know. But you know what us statisticians are like! The best sides available to us are certain no hopers. EG would have Proctor back like a shot, but is he going to get a visa? Would Sheffield want him back if he did? My heart says that I could possibly see Tungate at the STMP. Not sure about Heeps but wouldn't say no. Rosen I think is a possibility and if he was to start at 6 as I've suggested it'd be a definite yes. Still nevermind, Rafal (as much as I really like him) might yet be available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I know. But you know what us statisticians are like! The best sides available to us are certain no hopers. EG would have Proctor back like a shot, but is he going to get a visa? Would Sheffield want him back if he did? My heart says that I could possibly see Tungate at the STMP. Not sure about Heeps but wouldn't say no. Rosen I think is a possibility and if he was to start at 6 as I've suggested it'd be a definite yes. Still nevermind, Rafal (as much as I really like him) might yet be available! Ok could be wrong but sure i saw somewhere in the past that Tungate said that Redcar was one of his favorite tracks ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I know. But you know what us statisticians are like! The best sides available to us are certain no hopers. EG would have Proctor back like a shot, but is he going to get a visa? Would Sheffield want him back if he did? My heart says that I could possibly see Tungate at the STMP. Not sure about Heeps but wouldn't say no. Rosen I think is a possibility and if he was to start at 6 as I've suggested it'd be a definite yes. Still nevermind, Rafal (as much as I really like him) might yet be available! Re Proctor, Sheffield management have already said that Ty isn't part of the Tigers 2016 team plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Re Proctor, Sheffield management have already said that Ty isn't part of the Tigers 2016 team plans. Would be good if Ty Proctor returned to Redcar. It has the added advantage that he already knows the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothers Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Would be good if Ty Proctor returned to Redcar. It has the added advantage that he already knows the place. I agree TWK. Would do Ty good and certainly help Redcars cause next year. Ty has the 2nd best average around the STMP of all riders that have ridden more than 6 meetings there, behind Jason Doyle. However Doyle has only ridden 7 meetings to get his 9.3 average whereas Ty has ridden 55 meetings and achieved a 9.02 average. Both sides would surely gain, but I can't seriously see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I agree TWK. Would do Ty good and certainly help Redcars cause next year. Ty has the 2nd best average around the STMP of all riders that have ridden more than 6 meetings there, behind Jason Doyle. However Doyle has only ridden 7 meetings to get his 9.3 average whereas Ty has ridden 55 meetings and achieved a 9.02 average. Both sides would surely gain, but I can't seriously see it happening. That is a great shame Boothers. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Ayres and Chapman were given special dispensation by the BSPA this year to double-up by virtue of them only recently starting the sport. So this may be extended to Payne. Payne hasn't been riding much longer than Ayres/Chapman so it would make sense if he was included in being allowed to ride PL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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