Skid Sprocket Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 so could tom , dick or harry become a promoter ? Three speedway promoters Tom Dick & Harry with alzheimers are living together. One day Tom decides to take a shower, so says to Dick 'I'm going upstairs to take a shower'. Tom is standing in the shower when he forgets whether he is getting into the shower or out of the shower. He shouts down to Dick, "Dick I need your help I'm up here in the shower & I don't know if I'm getting into the shower or out of the shower!" "No worries I'll be right up to ya" says Dick and starts to run up the stairs. Half way up the stairs Dick forgets if he is going up the stairs or coming down. Dick shouts to Harry, "Harry we need your help. Tom is in the shower & doesn't know if he is getting into the shower or getting out of the shower & I'm on the stairs and I don't know if I'm going up the stairs or coming down the stairs!" Harry downstairs says to himself "Jesus I hope I never get as bad as them two,touch wood" [harry knocks on table] "Is that the front door or the back door!" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 CVS? Don't think you will get CVS travelling from the midlands every Thursday. Only comes up once or twice a season now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 Don't think you will get CVS travelling from the midlands every Thursday. Only comes up once or twice a season now. I didn't suggest that he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) At the end of the day Redcar is running a business like every other club . They probably need the money from selling Kus to keep the club running and if Newcasle have offered peanuts ( not saying the have ) just says what Newcasle think he's worth . Redcar will obviously try to get the best price they can for him like every club would do for their asset . We have some strange ways of running things in Speedway. Redcar want to declare Kus in their 1 to 7, he is their asset and they want to use him. Why should this have to go to arbitration at the BSPA. he is not being denied an opportunity to earn a living in the premier league. In what other sport would you find a situation where a team wants to use their asset and they may be made to sell or loan him out. From what I have heard Newcastle want him on the cheap. Promoters are scouring the globe to fill the remaining places in our league and the few riders that fit the bill seem to be holding the promoters to ransom. Cannot think why Newcastle would want him anyway as when I have seen him ride there he does not seem to like the track and rides it badly. He will certainly earn more points money at Redcar. He may end up at Newcastle but I hope Redcar at least get a realistic price for him. Edited January 14, 2016 by Sly Fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 14, 2016 Report Share Posted January 14, 2016 We have some strange ways of running things in Speedway. Redcar want to declare Kus in their 1 to 7, he is their asset and they want to use him. Why should this have to go to arbitration at the BSPA. he is not being denied an opportunity to earn a living in the premier league. In what other sport would you find a situation where a team wants to use their asset and they may be made to sell or loan him out. From what I have heard Newcastle want him on the cheap. Promoters are scouring the globe to fill the remaining places in our league and the few riders that fit the bill seem to be holding the promoters to ransom. Cannot think why Newcastle would want him anyway as when I have seen him ride there he does not seem to like the track and rides it badly. He will certainly earn more points money at Redcar. He may end up at Newcastle but I hope Redcar at least get a realistic price for him. Depends what you call "on the cheap" As far as I understand it (reading it in the 'Speedway Star') Kus approached Newcastle after he'd put in the Transfer Request. That's why it should go to tribunal/arbitration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 We have some strange ways of running things in Speedway. Redcar want to declare Kus in their 1 to 7, he is their asset and they want to use him. Why should this have to go to arbitration at the BSPA. he is not being denied an opportunity to earn a living in the premier league. In what other sport would you find a situation where a team wants to use their asset and they may be made to sell or loan him out. From what I have heard Newcastle want him on the cheap. Promoters are scouring the globe to fill the remaining places in our league and the few riders that fit the bill seem to be holding the promoters to ransom. Cannot think why Newcastle would want him anyway as when I have seen him ride there he does not seem to like the track and rides it badly. He will certainly earn more points money at Redcar. He may end up at Newcastle but I hope Redcar at least get a realistic price for him. It should go to arbitration because slavery was abolished centuries ago. You can't force somebody without a mutually agreed contract to work for a specific employer for whatever they are willing to pay him. If you won't let him work somewhere else without extorting a large fee, then you are denying him a right to make a living. The real problem is not so much Redcar but the outdated and probably illegal asset system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 We have some strange ways of running things in Speedway. Redcar want to declare Kus in their 1 to 7, he is their asset and they want to use him. Why should this have to go to arbitration at the BSPA. he is not being denied an opportunity to earn a living in the premier league. In what other sport would you find a situation where a team wants to use their asset and they may be made to sell or loan him out. From what I have heard Newcastle want him on the cheap. Promoters are scouring the globe to fill the remaining places in our league and the few riders that fit the bill seem to be holding the promoters to ransom. Cannot think why Newcastle would want him anyway as when I have seen him ride there he does not seem to like the track and rides it badly. He will certainly earn more points money at Redcar. He may end up at Newcastle but I hope Redcar at least get a realistic price for him. A lot of assumptions in there and mostly untrue. Strange that you are a new poster on here. Depends what you call "on the cheap" As far as I understand it (reading it in the 'Speedway Star') Kus approached Newcastle after he'd put in the Transfer Request. That's why it should go to tribunal/arbitration. The term 'reasonable' comes to mind, rather than the 'unreasonable' figure asked for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted January 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Looks like they've solved the final rider problem... https://twitter.com/RedcarBears/status/688053502216663041 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 does that mean the end of the race suits for the bears ? . who is this havelock guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 does that mean the end of the race suits for the bears ? lets hope so,,, too much red and white makes me feel sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 lets hope so,,, too much red and white makes me feel sick Black &White has the same effect on me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HadrianDog Posted January 15, 2016 Report Share Posted January 15, 2016 Depends what you call "on the cheap" As far as I understand it (reading it in the 'Speedway Star') Kus approached Newcastle after he'd put in the Transfer Request. That's why it should go to tribunal/arbitration. Sometimes just working for an employer that you trust will not try to 'shaft you' at every possible opportunity is enough to seek pastures new! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Black &White has the same effect on me wIll remember that when one of your riders has to wear a black& white helmet against us. Edited January 16, 2016 by soupy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Depends what you call "on the cheap" As far as I understand it (reading it in the 'Speedway Star') Kus approached Newcastle after he'd put in the Transfer Request. That's why it should go to tribunal/arbitration. As I understand it / was told, Matej was at Havelock's house and told him, he wasn't riding in Britain, because he was riding in Sweden. Then 15 minutes after Kus left he got a call from George English asking to take him on loan. Now I'm sorry but you don't need to live next to a sewage plant to know when something stinks. He's been " tapped up" apparently with a big deal from one of Newcastle's major sponsors, so please don't try and take any moral high ground, there isn't any. Sweden strangely, has not materialised. Much as I cannot stand Havelock, I cannot blame him for getting the hump, over what has happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 As I understand it / was told, Matej was at Havelock's house and told him, he wasn't riding in Britain, because he was riding in Sweden. Then 15 minutes after Kus left he got a call from George English asking to take him on loan. Now I'm sorry but you don't need to live next to a sewage plant to know when something stinks. He's been " tapped up" apparently with a big deal from one of Newcastle's major sponsors, so please don't try and take any moral high ground, there isn't any. Sweden strangely, has not materialised. Much as I cannot stand Havelock, I cannot blame him for getting the hump, over what has happened here. But he did the same thing with Kus this time last year, and there was no contract in Sweden then, clearly he is hoping to do the same this. I hope he fails and Kus signs for Newcastle, or another team who still have team places to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 But he did the same thing with Kus this time last year, and there was no contract in Sweden then, clearly he is hoping to do the same this. I hope he fails and Kus signs for Newcastle, or another team who still have team places to fill. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes Mr Havelock is out of order with his excessive transfer fee, if what has been read is lead to believe. But if Kus did what he did is wrong as well telling his club that he would be not doing Britain this year. The whole thing is getting very messy and needs sorting out one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes Mr Havelock is out of order with his excessive transfer fee, if what has been read is lead to believe. But if Kus did what he did is wrong as well telling his club that he would be not doing Britain this year. The whole thing is getting very messy and needs sorting out one way or another. Wouldn't know about who said what, or who did what, but its clear Matej wants to join Newcastle and Newcastle want to sign Kus, I hope having told Redcar he doesn't want to go there ( and who can blame him ) Redcar either loan him to Newcastle or let his transfer go to arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 As I understand it / was told, Matej was at Havelock's house and told him, he wasn't riding in Britain, because he was riding in Sweden. Then 15 minutes after Kus left he got a call from George English asking to take him on loan. Now I'm sorry but you don't need to live next to a sewage plant to know when something stinks. He's been " tapped up" apparently with a big deal from one of Newcastle's major sponsors, so please don't try and take any moral high ground, there isn't any. Sweden strangely, has not materialised. Much as I cannot stand Havelock, I cannot blame him for getting the hump, over what has happened here. I'm hardly trying to take the 'moral high ground' when all I'm doing is reading it in the 'Speedway Star'! You are privy to other information, which others, clearly are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 And we all believe what's reported in Speedway Star don't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andys Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Yeah about as much as we believe ppl who are allegedly privvy to information that I am sure is only really known by the promotions involved plus the rider, but I suppose it's fun to read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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