Red Panda Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 yes you are talking rubbish. Watts average was gained as s second string and Bucks as a heat leader so well done for being wrong again calm down sweet cheeks. I'm anti the sport going down the pan. Personally my team isn't even in the elite league so not bothered who wins. Thing is I'm a speedway fan first then an Ipswich fan. Shame that Poole fans see their club as more important than the sport itself Ummmmmm I was not................no one knows what the criteria is for the heat leader list just that Buzz is not on it.................I was just pointing out that why should Buzz be on the heat leader list when Davey has a higher average.............there are a lot of inflated averages because of the way the rides worked out last year but that does not mean that someone with average of 6.48 should be on the heat leader list any more than someone with a 7.19 average should not regardless of how they attained it................ Oh someone please publish the criteria..............but even if the list is published people are going to argue over who is on there that should not be and who is not on there that should be...................sheesh that would be too easy............... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 The fundamental thing is that you either have averages or the riders divided into categories (which to be fair is F**** stupid). So what you have ended up with is an average that is set too high, and a heatleader list which is therefore 'required' to stop one or two teams scooping up the best riders. But, hey, the list is easy to subvert anyway. A complete idiot could see this is nonsensical, and anyone with half a brain would have said cut the average total before even THINKING about having an HL list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) the criteria is if they rode in a heat leader position in the team therefore there average is attained by being a heat leader = therefore a heatleader quite simple davey watt rode most of the season at number 2 , therefore not a heatleader buzz last rode here all season as number 5 = therefore his average was attained as a heatleader... question is why is buzz not on heatleader list .... either some deal has been done somewhere ie if your having karlsson as second string im having buzz as second string ? watever has been decided just makes speedway look amateurish once more and alienated the fans yet again Edited November 27, 2015 by heathen chemistry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 either some deal has been done somewhere ie if your having karlsson as second string im having buzz as second string ? No Deal has been done. PK isn't even in Wolves teams plans right now and will probably skip Britain. PK, like Buzz should be on any heat leader list. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 This isn't a dig at Poole, but the heat leader list was drawn up to ensure that all Elite teams got 3 heat leaders, but at the moment, Leicester haven't got any, so it hasn't worked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted November 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 No and the Leicester situation worries me: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 This isn't a dig at Poole, but the heat leader list was drawn up to ensure that all Elite teams got 3 heat leaders, but at the moment, Leicester haven't got any, so it hasn't worked. Sorry, no it wasn't. CVS confirmed 18 names from this season are on it and not all teams will have 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Sorry, no it wasn't. CVS confirmed 18 names from this season are on it and not all teams will have 3. Whats a joke. 18 names on the list yet Danny King who has raced less meetings as a heat leader than 34 riders in the last 2 seasons is on the list. He's also only averages 4.8 as a heat leader. All try more remarkable, Horton signed him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Whats a joke. 18 names on the list yet Danny King who has raced less meetings as a heat leader than 34 riders in the last 2 seasons is on the list. He's also only averages 4.8 as a heat leader. All try more remarkable, Horton signed him!! So where is this list.. Clearly you have seen it then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 So where is this list.. Clearly you have seen it then ? Only the promotions know the list, however CVS has already confirmed that there are 18 from this season on it. He should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Yet Watt has a much higher average than Buzz who you think should be on the HL list but Davey should not be................. And you say I talk rubbish.................... RP .. Using that logic, Newman should be a hl as he averaged more than watt....Yes you do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 heathen chemistry, on 27 Nov 2015 - 10:39 PM, said: the criteria is if they rode in a heat leader position in the team therefore there average is attained by being a heat leader = therefore a heatleader quite simple davey watt rode most of the season at number 2 , therefore not a heatleader buzz last rode here all season as number 5 = therefore his average was attained as a heatleader... question is why is buzz not on heatleader list .... either some deal has been done somewhere ie if your having karlsson as second string im having buzz as second string ? watever has been decided just makes speedway look amateurish once more and alienated the fans yet again A couple of Promotions turned up at the AGM with their teams ready formulated & the points limit was set up to that mark . Would have been better to share out the top riders so Leicester for example can have a competitive team . Its can be argued the league has been contested in the last few seasons by the clubs with the best fast track riders .. Now its the teams who had privy knowledge of the SECRET HEAT LEADER LIST !! Never mind the MUG PUNTERS will still turn up . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Ummmmmm I was not................no one knows what the criteria is for the heat leader list just that Buzz is not on it.................I was just pointing out that why should Buzz be on the heat leader list when Davey has a higher average.............there are a lot of inflated averages because of the way the rides worked out last year but that does not mean that someone with average of 6.48 should be on the heat leader list any more than someone with a 7.19 average should not regardless of how they attained it................ Oh someone please publish the criteria..............but even if the list is published people are going to argue over who is on there that should not be and who is not on there that should be...................sheesh that would be too easy............... RP please read what you just wrote there as it makes no sense. so you are saying for example that a rider riding at 6 can average 8 and should be on the heat leader list ahead of someone who rode at number 5 all season and managed 7? It blatantly obvious to all and sundry that Buck should have been a heat leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Many seem to agree Davey Watt shouldn't be on the heat leader list so that would mean we only have two heat leaders from the list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Only the promotions know the list, however CVS has already confirmed that there are 18 from this season on it. He should know. Really the way the man with the little black book talks he knows what the list is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 If people are of the opinion that Buzz should have been on the HL list due to his 2014 scoring, then by the same token Davey Watt should also be on the HL list as he spent the majority of 2014 as a Number 1!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Using that logic, Newman should be a hl as he averaged more than watt.... Yes you do Yes but he wouldn't be allowed a team spot then, plus he has no ambition. Edited December 1, 2015 by Game On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Whats a joke. 18 names on the list yet Danny King who has raced less meetings as a heat leader than 34 riders in the last 2 seasons is on the list. He's also only averages 4.8 as a heat leader. All try more remarkable, Horton signed him!! When you could have had Pawlicki! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Really the way the man with the little black book talks he knows what the list is.. What is clear is that CVS, MF, etc couldn't care less about the fans knowing who is in the list. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 if they worked it out by determining how many meetings a rider has as hl or ss to decide it how many matched decides it 60% 70% ???? davey watt during all home matches rode at number 2 ( ss ) in all but 4 matches, surely making him a ss BUT .... think about this a moment......... a team could use this system to there advantage ...ie move a rider from ss to hl for a few meetings to get his average down but still stay within the number to keep the rider as a ss...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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