Crazy robin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 As you say, Poole have pretty much dominated much of the past 7 years - if not longer - and that is working within reduced points limits and changing much of the side every year to fit. If the EL sticks to the 'one EDR into the top 5' for 2016 suggestion - in Poole's case Newman (however they decide the averages), what would happen if he (or Garrity, Kerr etc) gets injured or has a dramatic loss of form? How will the rules allow for him to be replaced, with many people not liking guests and there not being a long enough list of strong enough young Brits?! If the likes of Newman, Garrity & others who are now to strong to be a reserve & don't go into the main body of the team then there is no point having it. You'd like to think the clubs would keep them if they struggle for form but we know that won't probably be the case so once again you could question the whole system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I hope that Garrity, Newman etc are not in any kind of draft if they are going to be in clubs top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeds Pirate Blue Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 getting riders signed up on fake low averages is how ford does it miedzinski was signed on a 5 , millik was a 4 , both put over 2.5 points on there average swindon wanted miedzinski as he was there asset but ford didnt ask for permission to talk to him swindon complained but i think a back handed deal had already been done , millik as a 4 pointer was a joke , but it was another one of these foreigners than comes in on fake low averages next seasons example could be brady kurtz who will probably be about a 5 , reckon he could put 2 points on it ..... Poole are not the only club who can sign riders without a British club on an assessed average... Seems a bit over the top to say that the Poole Promotion's ability to identify and sign improving riders on "fake low averages" is anything but great management!! I can clearly remember the 1998 Ipswich Witches team that signed Tomasz Gollob on a 7.50 assessed average! That is hands down the most ridiculous "fake low average" I can remember in the British League. That year they tracked Tony Rickardsson, Tomasz Gollob, Chris Louis, Scotty Nicholls, Toni Svab and Savalas Clouting. They won the league in a canter (P36, W26, D1, L5), won the KO Cup and won the Craven Shield. Rickardsson won the World Championship (Gollob was third), and also won the ELRC. Scotty Nicholls became British U21 champ... That Ipswich side was the most dominant team I can remember in my time watching the sport. Their end of year averages were: Tony Rickardsson: 10.29 Chris Louis: 9.42 Tomasz Gollob: 9.29 Scott Nicholls: 6.74 Toni Svab: 5.02 Sal Clouting: 4.09 Signing foreigner riders on assessed averages is part and parcel of the sport. As it happens, since Ford and Golding bought the club back in the late 90s, they have capitalized on the strong supporter base at Poole, and used their financial clout to ensure that the Pirates are the club that the most talented of these unsigned riders want to ride for. A financially secure club, with plentiful sponsors, and of course the pleasant lifestyle that Poole (Dorset) offers is more a more desirable team to ride for than say a cash-strapped side that can't pay riders and has a home crowd of 500 people. Simple! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Poole are not the only club who can sign riders without a British club on an assessed average... Seems a bit over the top to say that the Poole Promotion's ability to identify and sign improving riders on "fake low averages" is anything but great management!! I can clearly remember the 1998 Ipswich Witches team that signed Tomasz Gollob on a 7.50 assessed average! That is hands down the most ridiculous "fake low average" I can remember in the British League. That year they tracked Tony Rickardsson, Tomasz Gollob, Chris Louis, Scotty Nicholls, Toni Svab and Savalas Clouting. They won the league in a canter (P36, W26, D1, L5), won the KO Cup and won the Craven Shield. Rickardsson won the World Championship (Gollob was third), and also won the ELRC. Scotty Nicholls became British U21 champ... That Ipswich side was the most dominant team I can remember in my time watching the sport. Their end of year averages were: Tony Rickardsson: 10.29 Chris Louis: 9.42 Tomasz Gollob: 9.29 Scott Nicholls: 6.74 Toni Svab: 5.02 Sal Clouting: 4.09 And sadly, Ippo are still paying for that era. If the likes of Newman, Garrity & others who are now to strong to be a reserve & don't go into the main body of the team then there is no point having it. I totally agree, the BSPA should make clubs take these better riders into the top 5 on an assessed 4.50 ave, ive said that ages ago. Its the only way they are going to improve. Then, if they have it, it will come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 And sadly, Ippo are still paying for that era. I totally agree, the BSPA should make clubs take these better riders into the top 5 on an assessed 4.50 ave, ive said that ages ago. Its the only way they are going to improve. Then, if they have it, it will come out. I think the thing they need to think seriously about is what they do if it doesn't work out for some of them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Warren Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'm old enough to remember in the 50's how Wembley were all powerful and able to sign almost any good rider who came along. They were good box office when they visited away tracks even though they would usually win. .No points restrictions then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'm old enough to remember in the 50's how Wembley were all powerful and able to sign almost any good rider who came along. They were good box office when they visited away tracks even though they would usually win. .No points restrictions then.How many years did that last though? Good teams are always box office, we certainly want riders that can race well on all tracks .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 What average would Dudek come in on? Depends whose asking?? He ought to be a 7 or 7.5 at least, but no doubt Matt could wangle him on a 4. And the BSPA would say well done that man...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Id say should come in on a 6.50, would struggle to get a 7.00 in first season as would be a heat leader IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Depends whose asking?? He ought to be a 7 or 7.5 at least, but no doubt Matt could wangle him on a 4. And the BSPA would say well done that man...... 4 would be a joke and cheat for anyone that signs him. Not sure what averages he will have achieved in Poland or if he has ridden Sweden this season but he has a previous average to reflect his ability. Anything less than a 6 would be a disgrace. 7 seems fair given that Piotr was last assessed , and proved more than fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Janowski Thomsen Holder Kurtz Woffinden Would be a decent top 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Janowski Thomsen Holder Kurtz Woffinden Would be a decent top 5 Thomsen isn't good enough, he needs to prove himself at Pl level yet, i have seen him and he's nowhere near Brady Kurtz level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thomsen isn't good enough, he needs to prove himself at Pl level yet, i have seen him and he's nowhere near Brady Kurtz level. And Woffy is a pie in the sky wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 And Woffy is a pie in the sky wish. Like many of this posters team line ups. I am surprised they have not included MJJ as they usually do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Like many of this posters team line ups. I am surprised they have not included MJJ as they usually do. He would be a better option than Thomsen. My view is Chris Holder and Maciej Janowski nailed on and i would certainly have Kacper Gomolski back he has improved so much and can improve above his current average, Brady Kurtz would be a good addition or Kyle Newman in the main body, both would be risky and probably North on his current average is worth considering, Davey Watt has been good but he won't get any better now so i can see him being loaned out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think Poole should sign Bjerre, as a 2nd string; he would be incredible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I could think of other words to describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Poole are not the only club who can sign riders without a British club on an assessed average... Seems a bit over the top to say that the Poole Promotion's ability to identify and sign improving riders on "fake low averages" is anything but great management!! I can clearly remember the 1998 Ipswich Witches team that signed Tomasz Gollob on a 7.50 assessed average! That is hands down the most ridiculous "fake low average" I can remember in the British League. That year they tracked Tony Rickardsson, Tomasz Gollob, Chris Louis, Scotty Nicholls, Toni Svab and Savalas Clouting. They won the league in a canter (P36, W26, D1, L5), won the KO Cup and won the Craven Shield. Rickardsson won the World Championship (Gollob was third), and also won the ELRC. Scotty Nicholls became British U21 champ... That Ipswich side was the most dominant team I can remember in my time watching the sport. Their end of year averages were: Tony Rickardsson: 10.29 Chris Louis: 9.42 Tomasz Gollob: 9.29 Scott Nicholls: 6.74 Toni Svab: 5.02 Sal Clouting: 4.09 Signing foreigner riders on assessed averages is part and parcel of the sport. As it happens, since Ford and Golding bought the club back in the late 90s, they have capitalized on the strong supporter base at Poole, and used their financial clout to ensure that the Pirates are the club that the most talented of these unsigned riders want to ride for. A financially secure club, with plentiful sponsors, and of course the pleasant lifestyle that Poole (Dorset) offers is more a more desirable team to ride for than say a cash-strapped side that can't pay riders and has a home crowd of 500 people. Simple! had 1,3 and 5 in world championship finishing order, think Louis was brit champ and clouting u21 champ as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) He would be a better option than Thomsen. My view is Chris Holder and Maciej Janowski nailed on and i would certainly have Kacper Gomolski back he has improved so much and can improve above his current average, Brady Kurtz would be a good addition or Kyle Newman in the main body, both would be risky and probably North on his current average is worth considering, Davey Watt has been good but he won't get any better now so i can see him being loaned out. Subject to the points limit and team-building regs, I think there will be some surprised and disappointed fans and riders!!!! Edited October 4, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Subject to the points limit and team-building regs, I think there will be some surprised and disappointed fans and riders!!!! I thought you may say that! I doubt many fans will be disappointed though as we know the Poole team will be fantastic whoever the riders are. I think Poole should sign Bjerre, as a 2nd string; he would be incredible. Bjerre isn't the rider he was and i wouldn't even want the improved version! Edited October 4, 2015 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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