Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I don't think reserves will be protected if riders can now go up into the top 5 and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 It's not hard to stick all the tier 1 draft riders PL and EL averages into a calculator and work out a fair conversion and then apply that to Worrall (and Barker if rumours are true) Riders like Worrall and Barker surely already have a official EL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Riders like Worrall and Barker surely already have a official EL average. I think as they didnt ride EL last season it would be PL converted. Could be wrong mind, dont think its ever been consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 yet another ridiculous bspa rule - using there pl averages and converting from that, all the reserves have been riding in el for 2 yrs all have got an el average why not convert from that!! Â i bet the promoter/s who dreampt that one up is better off using pl averages than el Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 O k so i am thick but isn't the 4 match average a rolling average continuing on from their original converted PL average which is a closer reflection of their ability than the EL average they attained last season. I'm guessing (no, hoping!) that the 4 meeting average will be literally 4 meetings and NOT rolling or it all seems very odd. Â Where I think you're making this difficult is you think an average should determine someone ability and historically you're correct but now they're just used to compare riders of the same level. So for example you can compare 2 reserves averages to see how they compare but Frickes 6.1 average, Hans Andersens 6.3 and Steve Worrals 6.3 average are not comparable at all as one was reserve, one heat leader and one a second string. Â While you're right that the draft riders EL averages don't reflect their ability as proper EL riders using the traditional format, they do reflect their ability compared to each other. Â Riders like Worrall and Barker surely already have a official EL average. Possibly. Kennett last year didn't use his season before EL average. And those averages were attained as second strings (both about 5.5) where as at reserve you have to fancy they'd both be closer to 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 You're making this difficult Newman and Garrity could start on 7, Wright and Worrall on 6.5 (or whatever they got last season). After 4 meeting they are apparently going to get averages which may or may not put them into the 1-5 anyway, you could still do that. While the 1-5s could have rolling averages (to stop them being able to "drop" easily) the reserves could be given averages just for this season. Â It's funny how only Poole fans are failing to grasp this on here and twitter Yes of course if they get an average only on those 4 meetings. Now what will teams do, make sure they have four home meetings to start so their FTR reserve moves up into the team and they have a real strong number 6? But will the FTR rider be able to be replaced by the reserve, surely not? So this may not be a goer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 yet another ridiculous bspa rule - using there pl averages and converting from that, all the reserves have been riding in el for 2 yrs all have got an el average why not convert from that!! Â i bet the promoter/s who dreampt that one up is better off using pl averages than el That assumes the draft will consist entirely of riders who have an EL average but it's possible the draft will include riders who don't have an EL average as an EDR rider ( Steve Boxall for example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 It's not hard to stick all the tier 1 draft riders PL and EL averages into a calculator and work out a fair conversion and then apply that to Worrall (and Barker if rumours are true) I make it 91.9% for T1 riders, and 77.5% for T2 riders. Â For the record: Newman 103.7% Birks 103.1% Kerr 95.6% Wright 88.7% Blackbird 88.1% Auty 85.8% Garrity 85.2% Worrall 84.6% Â Nielsen 96.0% Ellis 88.7% Sarjeant 86.2% Starke 77.2% Rose 74.2% Morris 72.8% Bates 69.9% Lambert 55.3% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) I don't understand what you have done there Mr mungo? Edit: that's the ratio of their el to pl average? So on average el is about 85% of pk average. So a 0.5 conversion rate of combined el and Pl average would seem about right. Riders who rode only pl last year could just have the standard 0.6 conversion applied to that. Edited October 20, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I don't understand what you have done there Mr mungo? Edit: that's the ratio of their el to pl average? So on average el is about 85% of pk average. So a 0.5 conversion rate of combined el and Pl average would seem about right. Riders who rode only pl last year could just have the standard 0.6 conversion applied to that. Yep, the percentage is: EL average compared to their PL average for all the draft riders. It throws up some interesting percentages, but for T1 riders it's surprisingly consistent (mid - late 80s). It's less of an issue for T2 riders, as I would imagine most of them would start on an assessed 3.00 average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 O k so i am thick but isn't the 4 match average a rolling average continuing on from their original converted PL average which is a closer reflection of their ability than the EL average they attained last season. How is it a closer reflection on their ability than using the league they rode in?. Â What do Poole want, Kyle Newman to still be a reserve for 10 years!! I think as they didnt ride EL last season it would be PL converted. Could be wrong mind, dont think its ever been consistent. That's what should happen if the other riders from last year use a Premier League average & would mean all British riders are treated the same. Â We all know it won't happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 How is it a closer reflection on their ability than using the league they rode in?. Â What do Poole want, Kyle Newman to still be a reserve for 10 years!! Â It does seem as though the EDR rules are being tweaked every season just to deal with the class of 2014 without having a coherent long term plan for new rider progression in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Â It does seem as though the EDR rules are being tweaked every season just to deal with the class of 2014 without having a coherent long term plan for new rider progression in the future. It's a joke & when will be the right time to use Elite league records for these draft riders!!. Â Surely the whole point is to see how the big time reserves like Garrity, Newman & Worrall kick on in the main team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 newman been riding at reserve for poole a good 5 seasons now and he's still on his PL average  stupid bspa rules again, ....calculate from there EL average , 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Seems very confusing when it's just 4 riders going round in circles with no brakes.lol.maybe it's ever decreasing circles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently we have 2 imminent signings possibly even before the Nov 3rd meeting. I'm guessing will be Chris Holder and Brady Kurtz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently we have 2 imminent signings possibly even before the Nov 3rd meeting. I'm guessing will be Chris Holder and Brady Kurtz. Rather have Jack Holder than Kurtz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Rather have Jack Holder than Kurtz.Probably saving him for 2017. But he did really well in Darcy's meeting and is definitely worth considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently we have 2 imminent signings possibly even before the Nov 3rd meeting. I'm guessing will be Chris Holder and Brady Kurtz. Probably get Kurtz in the draft...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) How is it a closer reflection on their ability than using the league they rode in?. Â What do Poole want, Kyle Newman to still be a reserve for 10 years!! Â That's what should happen if the other riders from last year use a Premier League average & would mean all British riders are treated the same. Â We all know it won't happen though. With the fact that the reserves can move in to the main body next season the draft riders will get official EL averages, PL averages give a fairer reflection of their ability last season as they haven't been restricted to riding at reserve all season. Edited October 20, 2015 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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