LisaColette Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's amazing. It's like the other promoters all want Poole to win the league. If one club didn't need help it Poole!!I'm getting a bit bored with all the winning! Maybe we should start a lap behind or something? Or swap teams with Wolves, would that help? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I'm getting a bit bored with all the winning! Maybe we should start a lap behind or something? Or swap teams with Wolves, would that help? Not really, but if you let Jon Cook select your team for 2016, that really could help !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Heat leaders averages are distorted too but I don't see anyone suggesting using riders Polish league averages! There not as distorted as reserves averages though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Not really, but if you let Jon Cook select your team for 2016, that really could help !! On paper he doesn't seem to do a bad job, just don't perform on track as they should! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Heat leaders averages are distorted too but I don't see anyone suggesting using riders Polish league averages! very much so.....lindgren about 6 as is scott nichols, bjerre, hans andersen similar too Edited October 19, 2015 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 On paper he doesn't seem to do a bad job, just don't perform on track as they should! I agree 100% with that actually, so can only think it comes down to lack of a motivational manager or promotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) There not as distorted as reserves averages though So? All the clubs will be picking from the same pool of riders. No one wins or loses if draft riders EL averages apply. Just raise the points limit to 42.5. Is Garrity and Worrall a point better than Newman at EL level? Their EL averages suggest not. Edited October 19, 2015 by woz01 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) There not as distorted as reserves averages though They're equally as distorted. There are 90 points in a meeting, every point you make harder for a heat leader you make easier for a reserve. Gone are the 10 point men and now the top guys are 8 point men, thus the top guys are 2 points lower. While at reserve rather than being 5 pointers we now have 7 pointers, thus a gain of 2. It just doesn't matter anyway. ALL reserves have had the same easier races and have all gained an equal amount on their averages, so if Garrity is inflated, so is Newman and Kerr and Wright etc etc. So as long as every team signs one it won't make a blind bit of difference. All the draft riders have raced enough meetings in the EL in the last 2 season to give them an EL average gained in the same way in the same strength league to be fair.l But no the BSPA have decided to use another leagues averages. Barmy! On paper he doesn't seem to do a bad job, just don't perform on track as they should! Really? Lakeside build uninspiring middle order teams every year. In fact if you look at the prediction thread most people had Lakeside lower down the order this year. Edited October 19, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 They're equally as distorted. There are 90 points in a meeting, every point you make harder for a heat leader you make easier for a reserve. Gone are the 10 point men and now the top guys are 8 point men, thus the top guys are 2 points lower. While at reserve rather than being 5 pointers we now have 7 pointers, thus a gain of 2. It just doesn't matter anyway. ALL reserves have had the same easier races and have all gained an equal amount on their averages, so if Garrity is inflated, so is Newman and Kerr and Wright etc etc. So as long as every team signs one it won't make a blind bit of difference. All the draft riders have raced enough meetings in the EL in the last 2 season to give them an EL average gained in the same way in the same strength league to be fair.l But no the BSPA have decided to use another leagues averages. Barmy! Really? Lakeside build uninspiring middle order teams every year. In fact if you look at the prediction thread most people had Lakeside lower down the order this year. But all the draft riders have to start at reserve therefore they have to have a lower average than the second string riders which without checking i expect a few have higher averages than some of the second string riders so if they used their EL average riders like Newman and Garrity would be above riders like Gomolski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 But all the draft riders have to start at reserve therefore they have to have a lower average than the second string riders which without checking i expect a few have higher averages than some of the second string riders so if they used their EL average riders like Newman and Garrity would be above riders like Gomolski No they don't. It's already been stated on the BSPA site that the draft riders will start in reserve for 4 meetings regardless of average. There no reason why they couldn't just use there EL averages. Nobody has yet come up with a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No they don't. It's already been stated on the BSPA site that the draft riders will start in reserve for 4 meetings regardless of average. There no reason why they couldn't just use there EL averages. Nobody has yet come up with a reason. So after 4 meetings their straight into the main body because their starting average is higher than the second strings in the team which would mean your lesser riders are not at reserve anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 So after 4 meetings their straight into the main body because their starting average is higher than the second strings in the team which would mean your lesser riders are not at reserve anymore. No it depends on their average for the first four meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No it depends on their average for the first four meetings.[/quote But their starting average will still effect their average after 4 meetings and would most likely be higher than at least one of the second strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Another Ill-conceived idea from the BSPA! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Let's hope that this rule doesn't get ratified in November eh But all the draft riders have to start at reserve therefore they have to have a lower average than the second string riders which without checking i expect a few have higher averages than some of the second string riders so if they used their EL average riders like Newman and Garrity would be above riders like Gomolski It would be a bit of a pain to work out but they could use only their average from rides against 2nd string riders from last year, which would be fair and a true reflection of their EL form ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) I was assuming it is a brand new average based on the four matches only.they start on an assessed PL conversion. Which isn't many is it ,also is the heat format changing? Confused.com Edited October 20, 2015 by naffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 But their starting average will still effect their average after 4 meetings and would most likely be higher than at least one of the second strings. You're making this difficult Newman and Garrity could start on 7, Wright and Worrall on 6.5 (or whatever they got last season). After 4 meeting they are apparently going to get averages which may or may not put them into the 1-5 anyway, you could still do that. While the 1-5s could have rolling averages (to stop them being able to "drop" easily) the reserves could be given averages just for this season. It's funny how only Poole fans are failing to grasp this on here and twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No they don't. It's already been stated on the BSPA site that the draft riders will start in reserve for 4 meetings regardless of average. There no reason why they couldn't just use there EL averages. Nobody has yet come up with a reason. Maybe they are planning on adding a rider into the draft, who only has a comparable PL average? Eg, Richie Worrall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Maybe they are planning on adding a rider into the draft, who only has a comparable PL average? Eg, Richie Worrall. It's not hard to stick all the tier 1 draft riders PL and EL averages into a calculator and work out a fair conversion and then apply that to Worrall (and Barker if rumours are true) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 You're making this difficult Newman and Garrity could start on 7, Wright and Worrall on 6.5 (or whatever they got last season). After 4 meeting they are apparently going to get averages which may or may not put them into the 1-5 anyway, you could still do that. While the 1-5s could have rolling averages (to stop them being able to "drop" easily) the reserves could be given averages just for this season. It's funny how only Poole fans are failing to grasp this on here and twitter O k so i am thick but isn't the 4 match average a rolling average continuing on from their original converted PL average which is a closer reflection of their ability than the EL average they attained last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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