Steve Shovlar Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If it is within the rules that Poole can sign Pedersen and have four heat-leaders when many struggling to find one or two then there's something wrong with those rules. Not jealousy - I haven't had an EL team to support since the demise of Hackney and later Cradley at that level - just despair at how the EL is self-destructing. So what do you suggest? Matt Ford runs a class fir other promoters on how to promote speedway? Matt Ford dumbs down his club to give others a chance? If other promoters can't put together a team to challange is that also Matt Ford and Poole's problem? Everyone likes to have a pop at Matt Ford and Poole but really what is he meant to do? Dumb down his business? It's up to others to raise their standard to compete. At this moment he is not only head and shoulders above other promotions but his torso as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Didnt Wembley do 5 in a row? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted April 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 There was me thinking Matt cared about his riders ..... Its a results business! if you don't perform then sadly you are out! Maybe other clubs need to more ruthless instead of holding on and hoping riders will improve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Its a results business! if you don't perform then sadly you are out! Maybe other clubs need to more ruthless instead of holding on and hoping riders will improve. I remember talking to Davey Watt a couple of years ago and he said riding in Poland was like riding in a GP, with every race demanding everything you have. The pressure was immense. The same demand comes from the Poole promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 That being the case you would think Poole would be able to compete with the best of Europe, wouldn't you ? Sadly it doesn't appear to be the case as Belle Vue have had the balls to take up the challenge. Big Fish and Small ponds spring to mind. Still all is well at Camp Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 That being the case you would think Poole would be able to compete with the best of Europe, wouldn't you ? Sadly it doesn't appear to be the case as Belle Vue have had the balls to take up the challenge. Big Fish and Small ponds spring to mind. Still all is well at Camp Ford. well it's not as if BV have any home matches to worry about, I guess they can spare the time . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Congrats to the Poole promotion for getting such a good team but without injuries, and I hope there aren't any, the league now becomes boring. One side is far too strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Trouble is every year every team has an opportunity to build a winning team no one is stopping any promoter going out to scout new talent, this is where Ford comes into his own imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Trouble is every year every team has an opportunity to build a winning team no one is stopping any promoter going out to scout new talent, this is where Ford comes into his own imo. Bjarne is new talent ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Five in a row: Wembley (1949-1953) Four in a row: Belle Vue (1933-1936), Wimbledon (1958-1961) Three in a row: Wimbledon (1954-1956), Belle Vue (1970-1972), Poole (2013-2015). All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Bjarne is new talent ? He was when Matt signed him from Newcastle Diamonds in 2002. Matt has always kept his eye on up and coming young riders, which seems to be one of the key areas other promoters fail to capitalize on. It's no wonder there is a huge disparity between Poole and some of the other clubs when you look at the huge list of names that Matt enticed to Poole first. Bjarne Pedersen, Antonio Lindback, Chris Holder, Darcy Ward, Brady Kurtz, Kyle Newman... the list goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knightime Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 (edited) Bjarne is hardly a hidden secret - others had the chance to get him but decided not to - I hope Davey is OK but business is business Edited April 26, 2016 by Knightime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 He was when Matt signed him from Newcastle Diamonds in 2002. Matt has always kept his eye on up and coming young riders, which seems to be one of the key areas other promoters fail to capitalize on. It's no wonder there is a huge disparity between Poole and some of the other clubs when you look at the huge list of names that Matt enticed to Poole first. Bjarne Pedersen, Antonio Lindback, Chris Holder, Darcy Ward, Brady Kurtz, Kyle Newman... the list goes on. Are you seriously saying that no-one had heard of Holder and Ward before they joined Poole?! I could list an even more impressive list at Coventry: Sayfutdinov, Pawlicki Bro's, Larsen Garrity etc etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Are you seriously saying that no-one had heard of Holder and Ward before they joined Poole?! I could list an even more impressive list at Coventry: Sayfutdinov, Pawlicki Bro's, Larsen Garrity etc etc. No? I don't remember writing anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 We will just have to disagree then as I am going on his current form! Always happy to agree to disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 As a Belle Vue fan I am more than happy with the team we have this year and I shall not be conceding the title to Poole if and until they win it. However, to claim that all teams had an equal opportunity to build a successful team is rubbish. Poole gained a significant advantage when it was decided to use PL averages for the ftr. Virtually everyone acknowledged that Newman was either the best or, second best ftr last year and yet he was ranked 6th, allowing Poole to gain a second advantage in signing Ellis. I am not blaming Poole.I don't know how such a ridiculous decision was made but it gave Poole a clear advantage over almost everyone else. Again, I make no complaint against Poole, they built their asset base themselves and deserve credit for it but it certainly means that not every team had the same opportunities to build a team. They had first pick of those assets so have a better chance of signing the better riders on their retained list. I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that but nobody can argue that it didn't give them an advantage and mean that not every team had the same opportunities. I think teams should only be allowed a certain number of assetsand I say that knowing that Belle Vue are building their asset base and likely to be in a position to have first pick of the best of those who will use their new training facilities and come through the MDL and NL teams. If we want a system of team equalisation then more thought has to be given to devising systems which create a more even playing field. It is madness to have a system like this year with the ftr's which allows one of the stronger teams to start with an advantage. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I think you will find Darcy Ward rode for Kings Lynn in 2009, before signing for Poole in 2010. I suspect wanting to ride alongside his best mate Chris Holder may have also had something to do with the move? I do agree with your post though, Matt Ford has always had an eye for exceptional talent, and that has been proved by all the names on that list. Like him or not, he has set the bar very high, and most other teams just can't reach it. As Steve S said, its up to the other teams to raise their standards, not Poole to lower theirs. He has made the right descision by signing Bjarne, and lets hope Davey can sort out his problems and come back a stronger rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 I think you will find Darcy Ward rode for Kings Lynn in 2009, before signing for Poole in 2010. I suspect wanting to ride alongside his best mate Chris Holder may have also had something to do with the move? I do agree with your post though, Matt Ford has always had an eye for exceptional talent, and that has been proved by all the names on that list. Like him or not, he has set the bar very high, and most other teams just can't reach it. As Steve S said, its up to the other teams to raise their standards, not Poole to lower theirs. He has made the right descision by signing Bjarne, and lets hope Davey can sort out his problems and come back a stronger rider. Wasn't King's Lynn still Premier League back then? I was referring to Matt being the first to sign some brilliant up and coming riders to the Elite League, many of these riders then go on to show great loyalty to Poole. Matt has set the bar very high, but I really don't understand how other teams can't reach it? I wonder if Matt went to another club would he have the same success? Granted Poole is a very good place to promote speedway, but I think there is a lot more to it than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Darcy was "ours" before Poole, of course he wanted to move up to the BEL, he was a great rider before he went to Poole and was always going to go onto big things whoever he chose to race for ...... Poole were lucky to enjoy his talent on a weekly basis. Ford has said that he is always thinking of how he can improve his club, not sure that other promoters do the same. Poole Speedway is his main business (?) so he probs puts more time and effort in than many? He's crafty and the others have to be too ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Its a results business! if you don't perform then sadly you are out! Maybe other clubs need to more ruthless instead of holding on and hoping riders will improve.Plus it keeps riders on their toes and not complacent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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