Steve0 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 So you are actually agreeing with me. Poole and BV have maintained or increased attendances the way they do business. Yet you think they should follow those less succesful to save the sport? Think it should be the other way round - then we might actually get somewhere. BV - the way they do business?? They have been at the bottom end of the table for most of the last 10 years and are only getting a resurgence (temporary until the novelty wears off?) because of the new stadium. The problem appears to be that the other teams don't have the resources (i.e money) to compete and when they do try they either end up in the PL (Ipswich) or out of business (Brmingham) or the NL (Eastbourne and Birmingham) - even Swindon had to be bailed out a few years ago! So I am NOT agreeing with you and the league will only get smaller and smaller until Poole will be champions of Poole! Poole's business model is good for Poole but sadly not for the rest of the league. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Could Poole be stuck between a rock & a hard place again?? We had this situation a couple of years ago when Poole tried to re-declare a 1-7 before the averages changed but the meeting got postponed, thus meaning the change couldn't be made because the rider hadn't turn a wheel and would of gone above the averages. Could this now be the case with Bjarne Pedersen - Davey Watt's averages?? Just asking a genuine question or has the rules been amended after previous?? ___________________________________________________________________ Just answered my own question - Watt's new average is still higher than Pedersen's after the average changes. So, hypothetically then. Is the rule still in place that a new rider has to race before averages change?? Edited April 28, 2016 by Danny Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I am not Pooles biggest fan but Matt Ford only does what the rules allow him to do of which he does very well.Now thats where the blame for uneven teams starts and finishes.First of all we know that the present heat format has totally cocked up the averages and that they have cocked it up in their attempt to put things right. Without going into detail as we have all discused the problems before ie Buzz(heatleader) we all know in this league he is. FTR(switch to Prem averages)Which somehow gives last years champs one of the best pairings. Now if the rules had been thought out properly then Poole would have had to sign a true 2nd string class rider and would have had Newman and a much weaker FTR.So if you make the said changes to the Poole team i think that most fans(excluding Poole fans)would agree that this would put Poole on a more even par with most of the other teams and make the whole league a lot more competitive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) BV - the way they do business?? They have been at the bottom end of the table for most of the last 10 years and are only getting a resurgence (temporary until the novelty wears off?) because of the new stadium. The problem appears to be that the other teams don't have the resources (i.e money) to compete and when they do try they either end up in the PL (Ipswich) or out of business (Brmingham) or the NL (Eastbourne and Birmingham) - even Swindon had to be bailed out a few years ago! So I am NOT agreeing with you and the league will only get smaller and smaller until Poole will be champions of Poole! Poole's business model is good for Poole but sadly not for the rest of the league. Poole's business model is good for the entirety of Speedway in the UK. Every single year there are promoters and supporters calling for another aspect of our sport to be diluted as a cost saving exercise, whether it's the points limit, foreign riders, number of meetings etc. Only some of the nutters who run our sport could ever think that is a good business plan. Speedway nutter logic: Diluting = Better product = Bigger crowds = Sustainable future Real life logic Diluting = Poorer product = Smaller crowds = Certain failure You cannot dilute the product every season and expect that to produce better racing and bigger crowds. For every bit of money saved you're losing a handful of supporters who are only interested in Elite League Speedway. Top riders, top tracks and top racing. Like it or not the only way to build the sport is to put on a better show and that's only going to happen with promoters like Matt Ford, who consistently puts out the very best teams. Matt Ford isn't even that good! There are a lot of missed opportunities when it comes to actually marketing the sport. Even Bernie Ecclestone is doing a better job of social media... Edited April 28, 2016 by BurntFaceMan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Matt Ford isn't even that good! There are a lot of missed opportunities when it comes to actually marketing the sport. Even Bernie Ecclestone is doing a better job of social media... I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. Shop would take them quite literally less than 1 day to set up on their website. Pick and pack the orders in the morning, stick em in a box and send them on their way. Social media should be full of clips, entertaining stories, interviews, pictures etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 BV - the way they do business?? They have been at the bottom end of the table for most of the last 10 years and are only getting a resurgence (temporary until the novelty wears off?) because of the new stadium. The problem appears to be that the other teams don't have the resources (i.e money) to compete and when they do try they either end up in the PL (Ipswich) or out of business (Brmingham) or the NL (Eastbourne and Birmingham) - even Swindon had to be bailed out a few years ago! So I am NOT agreeing with you and the league will only get smaller and smaller until Poole will be champions of Poole! Poole's business model is good for Poole but sadly not for the rest of the league. It was your post that stated only Poole & BV had maintained attendances. BurntFaceMan's response says it all - the 'Diluting' comparisons make it simple to understand. Seriously, what exactly do you want Poole to do, follow the unsucceful clubs and risk closure? Do you really believe that will improve things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. You wonder why all clubs don`t use on-line shopping more, at most tracks you can only buy their merchandise once you have entered the stadium, surely using the internet opens the possibility of buying something to everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. Ironic perhaps that Wolves have just posted details of their 2016 online shop. Not the first year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on I'm not sure you will have to ask Starman about that one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. Steve, why don't you ask Matt personally why he doesn't run an online shop. There has to be a reason why he won't do it.. Edited April 28, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Ironic perhaps that Wolves have just posted details of their 2016 online shop. Not the first year either.Reading used to have their track shop online. And Bruce been closed about 8 years now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Reading used to have their track shop online. And Bruce been closed about 8 years now! Who the hell is Bruce? .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Steve, why don't you ask Matt personally why he doesn't run an online shop. There has to be a reason why he won't do it.. Ignorance? Laziness? There is no possible reason why he could not do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Middleitch in this weeks Star bangs on about how riders up their game when they come to Poole and he gets the best out of riders. Seems a strange thing to say in the same week as he kicks a Close friend into the long grass for under performing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Middleitch in this weeks Star bangs on about how riders up their game when they come to Poole and he gets the best out of riders. Seems a strange thing to say in the same week as he kicks a Close friend into the long grass for under performing. It wasn't his decision. Ford builds the team and makes the changes, from what I have read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 online club shops would need to be linked to whoever runs the track shop at each track, it's not the clubs (generally) that runs them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) It wasn't his decision. Ford builds the team and makes the changes, from what I have read. But Matty only got rid cos Milddleitch didn't do his the job of getting the best out of the each rider. Was Interesting how quick Middleitch was to lay the blame for the sacking firmly at Matty's door. Edited April 29, 2016 by semion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Middleitch in this weeks Star bangs on about how riders up their game when they come to Poole and he gets the best out of riders. Seems a strange thing to say in the same week as he kicks a Close friend into the long grass for under performing. up there game? no not really , cuz poole only sign them when there on fake low averages meaning therea good chance they will improve anyway..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I personally think Matt Ford is too "hands on" with his business and needs more staff who have expertise in certain areas. Loads of missed opportunities to increase the revenue stream. Online shop? Nope. Why not? Rather than have a simple online shop which could be setup in a day, the shop opens on a morning before Christmas to buy a present! Much stronger online presence. Social media improvements. Good honest post Steve I generally only take enough cash to get me and my son in and a couple and i mean couple of drinks!...plus prog usually no more than 35 quid but on odd occasions i see something at the track shop and wished i had more on me as they dont have a card facility and i truly believe that applies to a lot of people that go to Blunsdon and therefor i think whoever is selling are missing out on a lot of potential extra sales.Now i know some may say just take load more cash i.e say 60-70 but i know i would waste it on bits and pieces and have one or 3 more drinks..deadly!...but being able to use a card i could still take me 30 and perhaps but a Doyley hat or sommut..like i said missing opportunities 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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