Woz01 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Will their averages be altered in some way? Or could we see a situation where a "heat leader" starts as a HL with a lower average than a second string, or a heat leader will start in a second string position because of averages? Id hope we will get the detail when the changes are ratified but I guess if you have a heatleader list then they ride at 1,3 or 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Genuine question, as I am not 'anti Poole' in any shape or form... Â Would Poole get a 'guest facility' for him if there is a clash? Â Because they shouldn't should they as they know when signing him the clear 'self inflicted' potential for him needing to be in two places at once... Â As I say, genuine question which applies to any team doing the same... That is a great question. I dont know the answer but there must be a rule to cover. Â Andersen will be a steal on his average. Had bike problems mid season in UK but scored very well elsewhere in Europe. Had very good play off matches against Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Has a low average for a reason. Â May up it slightly at Poole but will never be a top number one again. His form for coventry was shocking at times . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Knowing the way Matt Ford plays, I've got a sneaking suspicion that the heat leader cut off will be 6.5 and Hans will be a second string. Great news for Wolves then with Freddie as a 2nd string & good luck to Hans as Poole have signed a proven winner whilst the rest sat on their backsides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Great news for Wolves then with Freddie as a 2nd string & good luck to Hans as Poole have signed a proven winner whilst the rest sat on their backsides. It also helps if you own the Peterborough retained riders??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Hard to argue than on that average hans is a capable rider, good signing from ford tbh , no poncing about just got the man he wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Has a low average for a reason. Â May up it slightly at Poole but will never be a top number one again. His form for coventry was shocking at times . The reason is he had a poor season, he may have not been good at times but still got paid 13 at home in the play offs and 9 away which shows he still has the ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy17 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Holder Batchelor Lambert Andersen Kurtz/North Newman 3 Pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Welcome back to Poole Hans! Â clearly he was unhappy at Coventry but that's understandable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Holder Batchelor Lambert Andersen Kurtz/North Newman 3 Pointer That team looks crap to me, Batch! no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Knowing the way Matt Ford plays, I've got a sneaking suspicion that the heat leader cut off will be 6.5 and Hans will be a second string. They can't just pick a cut-off figure and say above that is heat leader and below that is second string. That wouldn't remove the problem. Â The averages need to be weighted and readjusted first. Someone (like Andersen) who averaged 6.50 riding all season at heat leader is equivalent to about 8.00 in old money. Someone who averaged 6.50 riding all season at second string is equivalent to about 5.00 in old money. Â You can't class them as equal. Â Someone needs to go through the figures, calculate the heat-leader/second-string split, work out the necessary weighting percentage, and apply it. Only then can you draw a line under the top 24 riders to determine who would be heat-leaders. Edited October 21, 2015 by John Leslie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloves Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 My understanding is that the heat leader pool for next season is based on the top 3 riders from each team as at the end of the season (e.g the heat leaders for each team at that point in time). So if Andersen was top 3 for the bees he is in that pool. All GP riders are in that Pool and any assessed riders who come in on 6.5 whether from the PL (if it's possible) or from overseas leagues. Seems a pretty straightforward call to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Knowing the way Matt Ford plays, I've got a sneaking suspicion that the heat leader cut off will be 6.5 and Hans will be a second string. What do you mean how he plays, if the rule is that the cut off is 6.50 and Hans average is lower he will be a second string. simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Â But that would make a bit too much sense wouldn't it? True. Â We need someone like SCB on the case (The forum SCB not THE SCB). He can work out the stats and the BSPA can copy that and pretend they did it My understanding is that the heat leader pool for next season is based on the top 3 riders from each team as at the end of the season (e.g the heat leaders for each team at that point in time). That wouldn't make any sense as you'd have doubling up second-strings Ricky Wells (5.91) and Sam Masters (5.60) as heat leaders, and proven heat leaders Hans Andersen (6.45) and Troy Batchelor (6.91) as second strings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 He SHOULD be in the heat leader pool as he rode most of his matches as heat leader last season. It would be a shocking decision if he wasn't!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 It would be a shocking decision if he wasn't!! Not for Poole though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Not for Poole though. Â Correct, Poole rules.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 My understanding is that the heat leader pool for next season is based on the top 3 riders from each team as at the end of the season (e.g the heat leaders for each team at that point in time). So if Andersen was top 3 for the bees he is in that pool. All GP riders are in that Pool and any assessed riders who come in on 6.5 whether from the PL (if it's possible) or from overseas leagues. Seems a pretty straightforward call to me. According to the final Green Sheets Hans isn't one of Coventry's heat leaders so seems a good move by Poole. Â Wolfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 My understanding is that the heat leader pool for next season is based on the top 3 riders from each team as at the end of the season (e.g the heat leaders for each team at that point in time). So if Andersen was top 3 for the bees he is in that pool. All GP riders are in that Pool and any assessed riders who come in on 6.5 whether from the PL (if it's possible) or from overseas leagues. Seems a pretty straightforward call to me. If thats true it's brilliant! Brilliant as it's so wrong. Mikkel Bech ended as Lakesides heatleader but not one of his 20 meetings in his average was riding as a heat leader, while Kennett is the opposite. Sam Master not one meeting as a heat leader but is now one too. Aaron summers 8 meetings as a second string, now deemed a heat leader (he wasn't going to get a job as a second string anyway). Â Madness! It should be anyone whos average has X number of meeting as a heat leader is a heat leader. I'd say 12-14 meetings personally. True. Â We need someone like SCB on the case (The forum SCB not THE SCB). He can work out the stats and the BSPA can copy that and pretend they did it I'm working on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Hans will be a heatleader so will Freddie Lindgren otherwise what's the point in the heatleader list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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