Poole 2016

[LisaColette]

 

 

Anders Thomson has average 9.6 for Peterborugh this season After a last in his very first meeting for Peterborough he's only had 1 3rd (also in meeting 1 and that was in a 4-2 in heat 15) and 2 EFs other than that he's finished 1st or 2nd

 

So his higher than Kurtz PL average, his much higher U21 position than Kurtz and you would prefer Kurtz on 5.5 than Thomson on 4?!

 

All you "experts" commenting on him do realise his GSA is a rolling average than that he's only done a handful of meeting for Peterborough and has been brilliant? Just as he has been in the U21s, Demark and Poland?

 

I also seriously doubt any of you have seen him ride for Peterborough a "couple of times"

How do you know who has been to which track? Not turning into a stalker like Game On are you?! 😐

 

Ugh. You lot can argue all you like Matt wants Brady and would rather have Newman as other second string.

Edited October 4, 2015 by lisa-colette

[waiheke1]

Kurtz and Newman would be a pretty weak 2nd string pairing if current point limit is kept. You'd end up with well over 3 unused points (assuming Magic, Holder, North), or 2 (assuming you got a 3rd heat leader close to the max 6.99 average).

 

tbh I'm fine with draft riders staying at reserve providing the "conventional" heat format is brought back, or just say minimum 3 brits per team, one of whom must be 21 or under and can remain at reserve all saeson. So the likes of Newmand, Garritty etc. could move between reserve and main body of the team. Starting average to be based on 2015 EL average times 50%, and be included in team building figures.

[Red Panda]

What people are forgetting is that Kyle was going to be in the main body of the team this year had he not been a draft rider...............

 

I hope they build the team around Magic next year............and would love to see Chris and Dak back...........

 

RP

[stevebrum]

if he has a better average how can he be nowhere near his level ?

 

as SCB would have you believe you can't make a judgement unless you have seen him ride, despite admitting he hasn't travelled to see him ride. You can't make this stuff up.

FWIW SCB is going on the 3 meetings he has ridden for Peterborough not the ones over a whole season like Kurtz has.

but of course we all know that judging a rider over 3 meetings is much better than a season worth.

By the same logic Hancock should be World Champion again.

If you want to add any sense to a subject (first time for everything I appreciate) then go do a bit of homework first.

 

In the real World Anders Thomson has beat Kurtz every time they have met.

But Stevebrum looked at some averages and is now being made to look silly. Rather than admitting he made a judgement based on averages he's continuing to argue and looking silly

And I've never claimed to have travelled to see him ride. You have though steve. So so tell, where/when did you see him ride?

 

And judging a rider on 3 meetings for one team isn't silly?

oh dear, can't say I'm surprised.

I certainly have no interest in getting into a debate about where I have seen him race. However if you think that's "silly" then so be it. I'd rather rate a rider over a full season.

 

 

Which real world?

 

Name somewhere he is better.

 

He wasn't better in the PL.

 

He wasn't better in the World U-21's.

 

Where is this 'real world'?

Kurtz will be the most wanted rider in the EL next season.

Enough said.

Edited October 4, 2015 by stevebrum

[SCB]

How do you know who has been to which track? Not turning into a stalker like Game On are you?! 😐

 

Ugh. You lot can argue all you like Matt wants Brady and would rather have Newman as other second string.

As Anders has been nothing other than great in the UK this season I think its a pretty safe bet that stevebrum hasn't seen him on any track looking ordinary

[orion]

 

 

as SCB would have you believe you can't make a judgement unless you have seen him ride, despite admitting he hasn't travelled to see him ride. You can't make this stuff up.

FWIW SCB is going on the 3 meetings he has ridden for Peterborough not the ones over a whole season like Kurtz has.

but of course we all know that judging a rider over 3 meetings is much better than a season worth.

By the same logic Hancock should be World Champion again.

If you want to add any sense to a subject (first time for everything I appreciate) then go do a bit of homework first.

 

 

 

And judging a rider on 3 meetings for one team isn't silly?

oh dear, can't say I'm surprised.

I certainly have no interest in getting into a debate about where I have seen him race. However if you think that's "silly" then so be it. I'd rather rate a rider over a full season.

 

Kurtz will be the most wanted rider in the EL next season.

Enough said.

So where has Kurtz been better than him ...you say you done your homework so it should a easy answer .What logic are you using that would make Greg Hancock world champion by the way ....is this same homework you used to work out North average last week ? I expect you can't get into a debate about where you seen him race as it's quite clear you never have .

Edited October 4, 2015 by orion

[SCB]

 

 

as SCB would have you believe you can't make a judgement unless you have seen him ride, despite admitting he hasn't travelled to see him ride. You can't make this stuff up.

FWIW SCB is going on the 3 meetings he has ridden for Peterborough not the ones over a whole season like Kurtz has.

but of course we all know that judging a rider over 3 meetings is much better than a season worth.

By the same logic Hancock should be World Champion again.

If you want to add any sense to a subject (first time for everything I appreciate) then go do a bit of homework first.

 

 

 

And judging a rider on 3 meetings for one team isn't silly?

oh dear, can't say I'm surprised.

I certainly have no interest in getting into a debate about where I have seen him race. However if you think that's "silly" then so be it. I'd rather rate a rider over a full season.

 

Kurtz will be the most wanted rider in the EL next season.

Enough said.

Youre the one who claimed to see him! Not me! So come on, you have seen him a couple of times, where and when? Or is it I lie?

 

As for judging him on 3 meetings, he's had 5 for Peterborough, the World Under 21s, Danish league and Polish league.

 

You don't have to have seen a rider to know he's any good but you have claimed Kurtz is better. Based on what?

 

You suggest doing homework first, I have. I know he's had a great season abroad. Yet you looked at his rolling PL average and jumped it and now look stupid. You then claimed to have seen him ride, so where and when?

Edited October 4, 2015 by SCB

[MrMungo]

In the real World Anders Thomson has beat Kurtz every time they have met.

 

And I've never claimed to have travelled to see him ride.

 

I have. At this stage of their careers, Thomsen is the superior rider. Thomsen is on a par with the Michelsens and Bechs. Kurtz, whilst having plenty of talent, still has a bit to go. Thomsen doesn't constantly roll at the start either!

[BWitcher]

 

 

 

 

 

 

And judging a rider on 3 meetings for one team isn't silly?

oh dear, can't say I'm surprised.

I certainly have no interest in getting into a debate about where I have seen him race. However if you think that's "silly" then so be it. I'd rather rate a rider over a full season.

 

 

 

Nobody is judging him on 3 meetings for a team.

 

Of course you're not interested in getting into a debate.. as you haven't seen him most likely.

 

Anderson has been better than Kurtz this season.. that is indisputable.

[stevebrum]

As Anders has been nothing other than great in the UK this season I think its a pretty safe bet that stevebrum hasn't seen him on any track looking ordinary

 

I haven't seen him at Peterborough.

 

So where has Kurtz been better than him ...you say you done your homework so it should a easy answer .What logic are you using that would make Greg Hancock world champion by the way ....is this same homework you used to work out North average last week ? I expect you can't get into a debate about where you seen him race as it's quite clear you never have .

 

it's quite clear you don't read posts correct.

Anders has had 3 official matches for Peterborough, but if you want to make an opinion on 3 matches go ahead.

You are clearly the sudden expert on Anders so let's hear you're educated opinion on his form this year.

Over to the expert.

 

Nobody is judging him on 3 meetings for a team.

 

Of course you're not interested in getting into a debate.. as you haven't seen him most likely.

 

Anderson has been better than Kurtz this season.. that is indisputable.

 

I'd have more respect if you could spell his name right.

 

Youre the one who claimed to see him! Not me! So come on, you have seen him a couple of times, where and when? Or is it I lie?

As for judging him on 3 meetings, he's had 5 for Peterborough, the World Under 21s, Danish league and Polish league.

You don't have to have seen a rider to know he's any good but you have claimed Kurtz is better. Based on what?

You suggest doing homework first, I have. I know he's had a great season abroad. Yet you looked at his rolling PL average and jumped it and now look stupid. You then claimed to have seen him ride, so where and when?

He rides in other countries other than the PL.

You rate him higher than I do.

It's no biggie to me if you believe I have seen him or not.

No need to get such a hard on over it.

Shame I haven't had chance to see him at Peterborough this year. His form for them has been good I grant you.

[Woz01]

Thomsen can join the Bees instead!

[bigcatdiary]

I have watched Thomsen in his meetings for Peterborough and he is undoubtedly a class act and would be an out and out no 1 in the PL, on his rolling average of 6.62 he is a steal either in the PL or EL on a conversion.

 

His average for his meetings this year for Panthers is 8.50 or 9.16 with BP.

[SteveLyric2]

Not sure why this has rumbled on on the Poole 2016 thread? Thomsen will not be in Poole's 2016 team, especially if he continues in the Danish League!!

 

Also if Poole are intending to keep Magic, Holder, Newman and either North or Gomolski, why would Matt Ford refer to 'rebuilding the team'??!

[foreverblue]

Not sure why this has rumbled on on the Poole 2016 thread? Thomsen will not be in Poole's 2016 team, especially if he continues in the Danish League!!

 

Also if Poole are intending to keep Magic, Holder, Newman and either North or Gomolski, why would Matt Ford refer to 'rebuilding the team'??!

Yes i agree we never seem to have fixture clashes with the Aussies and to be fair don't seem to have any issues with our current Poles either but even Iversen has clashes sometimes so probably a good policy to stay away from Danes but i don't see why a major rebuild is needed.

[hagonshocker]

ALWAYS believed, and this will go against the grain with many, that any team wishing to keep their 1-7 from one season to another should be allowed to do so and only be affected by any points limit should they want to make changes. Teams should aspire to being the best not waiting for others to be watered down to their level.

 

Would provide continuity for the fans as well as the riders but no doubt will be shot down in flames. Extinguisher at the ready ...

Agreed Phil....but that's way too sensible for this sport...

[orion]

 

 

I haven't seen him at Peterborough.

 

 

 

it's quite clear you don't read posts correct.

Anders has had 3 official matches for Peterborough, but if you want to make an opinion on 3 matches go ahead.

You are clearly the sudden expert on Anders so let's hear you're educated opinion on his form this year.

Over to the expert.

 

 

 

I'd have more respect if you could spell his name right.

 

 

He rides in other countries other than the PL.

You rate him higher than I do.

It's no biggie to me if you believe I have seen him or not.

No need to get such a hard on over it.

Shame I haven't had chance to see him at Peterborough this year. His form for them has been good I grant you.

My opinion was based on all results around the world including under 21's ..so I asked you again when has Kurtz been shown to miles better than him ...also what matches did you watch him ride ? also what logic would this make Greg Hancock World champion this year .

[LisaColette]

Yep I agree. Aussies rather than Danes is the way to go.

 

I don't see why we need a rebuild to the team either FB but Matt prob has an idea of the rules. Maybe there is a dramatic change somewhere!

[stevebrum]

My opinion was based on all results around the world including under 21's ..so I asked you again when has Kurtz been shown to miles better than him ...also what matches did you watch him ride ? also what logic would this make Greg Hancock World champion this year .

As per usual you don't read all the comments clearly.

I was using SCB's logic that the 3 meetings he has done for Peterborough makes him the better PL rider. The same logic you can use to judge Greg's last 3 GP rounds. If only you could keep up.

I have no interest in getting into a debate about where I have seen him ride this year.

It's really non of your business.

But feel free to discuss what tracks and countries you have visited to watch racing this year if it makes you feel happier.

[foreverblue]

Yep I agree. Aussies rather than Danes is the way to go.

 

I don't see why we need a rebuild to the team either FB but Matt prob has an idea of the rules. Maybe there is a dramatic change somewhere!

Yes your probably right the rules maybe changing again!!

[Pob]

 

 

Poole are not the only club who can sign riders without a British club on an assessed average... Seems a bit over the top to say that the Poole Promotion's ability to identify and sign improving riders on "fake low averages" is anything but great management!!

 

I can clearly remember the 1998 Ipswich Witches team that signed Tomasz Gollob on a 7.50 assessed average! That is hands down the most ridiculous "fake low average" I can remember in the British League. That year they tracked Tony Rickardsson, Tomasz Gollob, Chris Louis, Scotty Nicholls, Toni Svab and Savalas Clouting. They won the league in a canter (P36, W26, D1, L5), won the KO Cup and won the Craven Shield. Rickardsson won the World Championship (Gollob was third), and also won the ELRC. Scotty Nicholls became British U21 champ...

 

That Ipswich side was the most dominant team I can remember in my time watching the sport. Their end of year averages were:

 

Tony Rickardsson: 10.29

Chris Louis: 9.42

Tomasz Gollob: 9.29

Scott Nicholls: 6.74

Toni Svab: 5.02

Sal Clouting: 4.09

Signing foreigner riders on assessed averages is part and parcel of the sport. As it happens, since Ford and Golding bought the club back in the late 90s, they have capitalized on the strong supporter base at Poole, and used their financial clout to ensure that the Pirates are the club that the most talented of these unsigned riders want to ride for.

A financially secure club, with plentiful sponsors, and of course the pleasant lifestyle that Poole (Dorset) offers is more a more desirable team to ride for than say a cash-strapped side that can't pay riders and has a home crowd of 500 people. Simple!

 

 

Will never ever see a team like that again at Ipswich .