Paul Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 So it’s a rarity that on this Saturday [10th October] we still have speedway to watch at Rye House, just over 7 weeks since Lakesides last home meeting on August 21st. Crazy to think a club can round of its speedway season in the middle of the school holidays, that just goes to show in my humble opinion what a mess speedway is in and especially the Elite League. But I digress. For some strange reason the Ace of Herts meeting has always produced good crowds in the past and I expect tonight’s affair will be no different especially as the weather is set fair although I recon on it being cold tonight. Mrs T unfortunately sold my thermals at a boot sale last Sunday as she thought [incorrectly of course] that speedway had finished so it’s a new pair from Primart later this morning. The pair’s idea [speedway not my thermals] is I guess better than seeing the 12 rider format over 16 heats. With fireworks at the end of the meeting this probably will bring a few extra faces. I was going to say families but hiking up the price will probably stop a few from going. I hope, as there are EL standard riders riding all the boys, especially the Raiders get paid the same as Harris, King and co, although somehow I doubt it! No predictions on a winner here, hopefully the winner will be the club and Warren Scott & Co can build on tonight’s speedway extravaganza [hopefully anyway] for the 2016 season. :t: :t: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I don't like individuals and I don't particularly like pairs meetings either. This is my prerogative being a grumpy old man, for this reason I am heading south to eastbourne tonight. It might be a dead rubber at Arlington, but at least it's a proper match. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 So it’s a rarity that on this Saturday [10th October] we still have speedway to watch at Rye House, just over 7 weeks since Lakesides last home meeting on August 21st. Crazy to think a club can round of its speedway season in the middle of the school holidays, that just goes to show in my humble opinion what a mess speedway is in and especially the Elite League. But I digress. For some strange reason the Ace of Herts meeting has always produced good crowds in the past and I expect tonight’s affair will be no different especially as the weather is set fair although I recon on it being cold tonight. Mrs T unfortunately sold my thermals at a boot sale last Sunday as she thought [incorrectly of course] that speedway had finished so it’s a new pair from Primart later this morning. The pair’s idea [speedway not my thermals] is I guess better than seeing the 12 rider format over 16 heats. With fireworks at the end of the meeting this probably will bring a few extra faces. I was going to say families but hiking up the price will probably stop a few from going. I hope, as there are EL standard riders riding all the boys, especially the Raiders get paid the same as Harris, King and co, although somehow I doubt it! No predictions on a winner here, hopefully the winner will be the club and Warren Scott & Co can build on tonight’s speedway extravaganza [hopefully anyway] for the 2016 season. :t: :t: Hi Paul, I thoroughly agree with your point about early closing. It's certainly a long way from a 30+ meeting season at Hackney! Funny how not so long ago the British season ran to the end of October and the World Championship to early September. Now for too many it's the reverse. Sadly I can't agree over tonight's Rye House meeting. There were two full-time EL riders in that field but with six pairs, only 12 riders overall, as against 14, six of which were NL riders. Putting the price up in those circumstances is not on. What a way to see you supporters off for the winter! It's typical of thinking that has to change under the new ownership at Rye House. Treating the public as easily-conned mugs has to end in speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Hi Paul, I thoroughly agree with your point about early closing. It's certainly a long way from a 30+ meeting season at Hackney! Funny how not so long ago the British season ran to the end of October and the World Championship to early September. Now for too many it's the reverse. Sadly I can't agree over tonight's Rye House meeting. There were two full-time EL riders in that field but with six pairs, only 12 riders overall, as against 14, six of which were NL riders. Putting the price up in those circumstances is not on. What a way to see you supporters off for the winter! It's typical of thinking that has to change under the new ownership at Rye House. Treating the public as easily-conned mugs has to end in speedway. 38 meetings were staged at Wimbledon in 1980 rob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Not often I see eye to eye with rmc, but I have to agree, £18 was way too much. Doesn't help that it was probably the least entertaining meeting at Hoddesdon this year. There was a very good turn out. I saw loads of new faces. Highlight of the evening was Webbys suit in the bar after the meeting Edited October 11, 2015 by Shads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmeRay Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Not often I see eye to eye with rmc, but I have to agree, £18 was way too much. Doesn't help that it was probably the least entertaining meeting at Hoddesdon this year. There was a very good turn out. I saw loads of new faces. Highlight of the evening was Webbys suit in the bar after the meeting I agree Shads, It wasn't a very entertaining meeting. Add in the cost of a programme and £20 was way overpriced. Racing wise, it reminded me of a poor Elite league fixture. A couple of 'top' riders & the 3rd & 4th riders half a lap behind. Most of us knew who would win when the pairings were announced. The fact that the riders didn't do the last race, which might have been a good one, sums up the night for me. The highlight of the night for me was seeing Neathy back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 The highlight of the night for me was seeing Neathy back. Oh blimey, Neathy, of course. Shame that he wasn't appreciated until after he'd gone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Maybe the £18 admission was simply testing the waters and the likely attendances for an EL campaign?! Still, by this time next week we'll all know!! Incidentally, Davey Watt is now back home but still in a lot of pain after treatment in hospital at Harlow! Edited October 11, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Thought it was a nice touch from the promotion to let Webby do some of the presentations last night - been helping at House since the year dot & fully deserved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Thought it was a nice touch from the promotion to let Webby do some of the presentations last night - been helping at House since the year dot & fully deservedSomeone told me the trophies were Webbys idea. I think he paid for them Maybe the £18 admission was simply testing the waters and the likely attendances for an EL campaign?! Still, by this time next week we'll all know!! The rumour mill was in full flow last night. Lakeside owner insists they'll be running in the Elite League next year, so what does that mean to Kents EL aspirations? Len Silver has been told he's gotta choose between Kent or Rye, he can't run both. Robert Lambert won't be a Rocket next year. His parents seem to be the stumbling block. Just rumours though, so don't take them seriously Edited October 11, 2015 by Shads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocketbee Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Very noticeable last night other than running the tractor round the track a few time how low key Len was last night, it was very Steve Jenson and team BMR's show last night and even the programme was without Len's lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) I agree Shads, It wasn't a very entertaining meeting. Add in the cost of a programme and £20 was way overpriced. Racing wise, it reminded me of a poor Elite league fixture. A couple of 'top' riders & the 3rd & 4th riders half a lap behind. Most of us knew who would win when the pairings were announced. The fact that the riders didn't do the last race, which might have been a good one, sums up the night for me. The highlight of the night for me was seeing Neathy back. Another dig at the EL by the PL. Shane the stats don't back up view. The rider in yellow and blue win more races in the EL than in the PL which suggests the PL is more predictable! The top and bottom of the EL don't race against each other. It's mainly heatleaders vs heatleaders, reserves vs reserves and the second strings have a few rides with the heatleasers and the reserves. Edited October 11, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Very noticeable last night other than running the tractor round the track a few time how low key Len was last night, it was very Steve Jenson and team BMR's show last night and even the programme was without Len's lines. Len wanted nothing to do with last nights meeting from the outset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmeRay Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Another dig at the EL by the PL. Shane the stats don't back up view. The rider in yellow and blue win more races in the EL than in the PL which suggests the PL is more predictable! The top and bottom of the EL don't race against each other. It's mainly heatleaders vs heatleaders, reserves vs reserves and the second strings have a few rides with the heatleasers and the reserves. I can only go on what I see. I watch PL live every week & watch the EL on Sky. The most recent EL meetings I've seen were the EL playoffs. IMO those semis were quite boring. If my team were involved I might think differently but as a neutral I don't think they did much in the way of entertaining me. I did say a poor EL meeting, I never said the EL was poor. The change of format in the EL since the introduction of the fast track system has been a good one for me as we don't get sgp stars racing novices. I hope the PL introduces it. I've never looked at stats of what helmet colours wins most races. Tbh it doesn't interest me. Whatever floats your boat but I'm not sure what relevance they have to my comment. My enjoyment of the sport is based on the quality of the racing. Im not a fan of four riders being strung out across almost half of the track. Edited October 11, 2015 by JmeRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 The EL has completely changed its race format to adapt to the fast track system, but I don't remember it being any more entertaining or closer before. That was done purely to cut costs. I don't much care for watching any form of speedway on TV. It's always better to be there, especially when you don't have to listen to Tatum & Pearson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JmeRay Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 That was done purely to cut costs. I don't much care for watching any form of speedway on TV. It's always better to be there, especially when you don't have to listen to Tatum & Pearson Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) 38 meetings were staged at Wimbledon in 1980 rob! A very good season. Back then, anything under 26 and there were protests. Not often I see eye to eye with rmc, I'd be very concerned if you did. Another dig at the EL by the PL. Not surprising given the appalling state of the EL which can't even run a straight play-off final and apply the rules. PL's not perfect but at least it still has some integrity. Edited October 11, 2015 by rmc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Not surprising given the appalling state of the EL which can't even run a straight play-off final and apply the rules. PL's not perfect but at least it still has some integrity.That'd be the PL where the referee messed up heat two of the PL play-off semi-final? Both leagues are as screwed up, flawed and have their share of good, bad and average meetings. The sooner people get over this them and us attitude the sooner speedway in this country can look to sort itself out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I can only go on what I see. I watch PL live every week & watch the EL on Sky. The most recent EL meetings I've seen were the EL playoffs. IMO those semis were quite boring. If my team were involved I might think differently but as a neutral I don't think they did much in the way of entertaining me. I did say a poor EL meeting, I never said the EL was poor. The change of format in the EL since the introduction of the fast track system has been a good one for me as we don't get sgp stars racing novices. I hope the PL introduces it. I've never looked at stats of what helmet colours wins most races. Tbh it doesn't interest me. Whatever floats your boat but I'm not sure what relevance they have to my comment. My enjoyment of the sport is based on the quality of the racing. Im not a fan of four riders being strung out across almost half of the track. I really dislike the new EL race format, these riders are part of a system that is supposedly pushing them to a higher standard, so they need to race the best riders. On top of this most riders in the 1-5 at EL clubs are averaging around the six point mark because they are racing riders who are the same standard as them in each race they have. I want a draft in the PL next year but tampering with the race format is a no go for me. Giving our own riders a leg up is good but not when they are then being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from racing the best riders in the meetings they race in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I really dislike the new EL race format, these riders are part of a system that is supposedly pushing them to a higher standard, so they need to race the best riders. On top of this most riders in the 1-5 at EL clubs are averaging around the six point mark because they are racing riders who are the same standard as them in each race they have. I want a draft in the PL next year but tampering with the race format is a no go for me. Giving our own riders a leg up is good but not when they are then being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from racing the best riders in the meetings they race in. The PL shouldn't need a change tot he format as the draft riders should be capable of more against PL riders. As it stands, I'd expect the EL to return to the old format next season as the draft riders are now EL ready, they've had two years of having their hands held, now they have to go for it. People are saying about making the top draft riders move into the 1-5, I'd just prefer a return to the old format with a points limit for the 1-7 and a rule that each club has to have at least 2 ex-draft riders (plus I'd add Lambert and Worrall to the list, possibly even Barker) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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