The White Knight Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) I am not going to address the fact that most of this post is actually personal remarks about me and therefore against the rules. I really am pissing in the rain with that one. It is sad though. However I do have to agree with the remark that old time fans are a problem. Well sort of. We are not the problem. The problem is more that there are not enough of the younger generation coming through. And the problem is not that promoters are catering toward the older generation. More that they are not really catering toward any generation and just hoping that people come through the gates. I have long held the view that the speedway environment is far to adult oriented and needs more to attract and keep the younger generations. I have some idea's on this front but will keep them to myself for the moment as I am about to make some suggestions to my local club. I will say that Technology is not exploited to its full. As for not having made any contributions there are plenty on here that seem to agree that I have. I believe I have only made one contribution. One that no one has answered. If I have waffled (and it is something that I have been accused of before.) I have at least done so in a respectful manner. Its a shame others can not say the same. I'm certainly one of them. Definitely NO waffle. Very well thought out Posts with matching conclusions. I also appreciate your remarks earlier re. personal remarks. I allowed to let myself get annoyed and carried away with one Poster. I should not have done that. My apologies to orion (I do not lie though). Edited December 5, 2015 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I am sure most of us realise the play/offs are ok WK, but in football and most sports the CHAMPION is rewarded which surely is fair .The only point Witcher has got right is that we all know the rules before the competition starts but does that make it RIGHT.? it makes it right, as far as the rules go, but I think it doesn't sit right with a lot of people views. The product as a whole isn't right. does anybody on here support the double points for example? yet no-one changes it. its not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 it makes it right, as far as the rules go, but I think it doesn't sit right with a lot of people views. The product as a whole isn't right. does anybody on here support the double points for example? yet no-one changes it. its not rocket science. Don't get me started. :nono: That is the reason I no longer go to Speedway. :mad: :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Don't get me started. :nono: That is the reason I no longer go to Speedway. :mad: :mad: Total nonsense. It is just the excuse you were looking for to justify not going anymore. There is no way that someone would love everything about the sport but not go over 1 rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 it makes it right, as far as the rules go, but I think it doesn't sit right with a lot of people views. The product as a whole isn't right. does anybody on here support the double points for example? yet no-one changes it. its not rocket science. The National League, as well as bringing back play offs, have abandoned tactical rides in all competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Total nonsense. It is just the excuse you were looking for to justify not going anymore. There is no way that someone would love everything about the sport but not go over 1 rule The National League, as well as bringing back play offs, have abandoned tactical rides in all competitions. thank you for that, didn't know that. I am only likely to watch IOW as far as national league goes, during a summer holiday,but good on that league doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Total nonsense. It is just the excuse you were looking for to justify not going anymore. There is no way that someone would love everything about the sport but not go over 1 rule Give it a rest Oldass you talk total dog .... at times just like your other bum chum mates.( Are you WItcher and Orion joined at the hip you are a real know it all but what a CLOWN.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 if the twk had no interest in speedway, I doubt he"d be on this forum? its typical bad public relations, a customer uses his option to stay away, because he doesn't like the product on offer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 if the twk had no interest in speedway, I doubt he"d be on this forum? its typical bad public relations, a customer uses his option to stay away, because he doesn't like the product on offer! Exactly right Colin. Speedway I have stated, times without number, that should Double Points be scrapped I would return to Speedway at the very next available opportunity. If you feel very strongly about something then, in my opinion, you stick to your principles. One thing I am sick of on here is people telling me why I do things and what I think. You may be clever - but not that clever. Nobody knows my motives but me and I do not need luminaries like Oldace and BW telling me what to do, why I do things and what to think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Sorry there no insult here ...my point is a good one in that all the people moaning are all of a certain age group ...all are over 55 and scared of change or dont like change and that is the real reason they don't like plays offs gp etc not the poor reasons they put forward ..it's not insult it's a valid point . It you took away over 55's then this topic would lasted about one page . Can't believe this idiot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Can't believe this idiot!Neither can i what a stupid comment . Edited December 5, 2015 by sidney 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) ........Guitar_art.............Old time speedway fans are a major part of the problem in the sport, promoters spend too much time pandering too them. Once they are gone the sport can re-invent itself and move forwards, like most other sports have done. Well Coventry aren't as they've stopped concessions for next season. Perhaps all the E.L. teams will follow suit in 2017 and drive more old people away. Damn nuisance they are. Edited December 5, 2015 by Gemini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) I am sure most of us realise the play/offs are ok WK, but in football and most sports the CHAMPION is rewarded which surely is fair .The only point Witcher has got right is that we all know the rules before the competition starts but does that make it RIGHT.? You don't thou ...this argument has carried on before the likes of you has carried on saying that the crowds and money would be better without the plays offs but still after all this time come up with no no logic in your reasons . ...all the people who like the plays offs have long agreed that in a ideal world a league would a better decided if who were top of the league were the champions that never in been dispute . Sadly speedway not being to have clubs that can move up and divisions etc has to keep the season alive for as many clubs as possible so the crowds don't dip To sum it speedway would be fairer if we had a league where the top club were champions but at this present time can't afford that luxury ...to me it's just crystal clear to see I am not even sure what the argument is . Edited December 5, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 You don't thou ...this argument has carried on before the likes of you has carried on saying that the crowds and money would be better without the plays offs but still after all this time come up with no no logic in your reasons . ...all the people who like the plays offs have long agreed that in a ideal world a league would a better decided if who were top of the league were the champions that never in been dispute . Sadly speedway not being to have clubs that can move up and divisions etc has to keep the season alive for as many clubs as possible so the crowds don't dip To sum it speedway would be fairer if we had a league where the top club were champions but at this present time can't afford that luxury ...to me it's just crystal clear to see I am not even sure what the argument is . All i know is speedway is the only sport i care about that does not make the champion the winner.Its like a runner being ten minutes in front of someone else but he lets him catch up because he is not going to be the winner anyway where is the logic in that.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) All i know is speedway is the only sport i care about that does not make the champion the winner.Its like a runner being ten minutes in front of someone else but he lets him catch up because he is not going to be the winner anyway where is the logic in that.? It would depend on the rules ...Mo Farrah etc do not always win there heats in major games knowing that they only need to finish top 6 sometimes to reach the next round or final ...before trying to win the final ..like any game or sport the object is to win under the set of rules that have been given . I watch the Tennis at to o2 the other week that novak come second in his is league/group but went on to win the title as the rules allowed him to go into the semi finals rules that were set out before hand . bit shocked that we got tickets as people having been walking away from sports that have play offs so was amazed for it to be a sell out when we were expecting empty seats Edited December 5, 2015 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 All i know is speedway is the only sport i care about that does not make the champion the winner.Its like a runner being ten minutes in front of someone else but he lets him catch up because he is not going to be the winner anyway where is the logic in that.? You may not like many sports, but there are very few team sports that don't have playoffs now. It's the way of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Well Coventry aren't as they've stopped concessions for next season. Perhaps all the E.L. teams will follow suit in 2017 and drive more old people away. Damn nuisance they are. well for Coventry , you wont have that worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's the way of the world. They're still bollocks though. At least F1 had the common sense to scrap the final race double points. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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