BWitcher Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I apologise if my Post read as being sarcastic - it was not meant to be. I just wanted to get my point across. I certainly did not mean to offend you. I think you mean 'is'. Only one person doing that and it is NOT Fred Flange. Personal remarks like that lose you the argument straight away. EDIT: Yet another typo on my account. I have inserted the word NOT which I meant to put in the first place. It is very much Fred Flange who is making some of the other posters on here seem intelligent. Personally I blame 7 man teams.. we had 6 man teams in the Elite League in 1997, since they were scrapped the attendances have fallen. 7 man teams are the reason! That, stupid as it sounds, makes as much sense as blaming the playoffs. The playoffs categorically, 100% have nothing to do with the problems in the sport. It is not even a debate to be had for anyone who understands the slightest bit about business. Fred Flange and the other cohorts would be laughed out of any business meeting as they have nothing to put forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 It is very much Fred Flange who is making some of the other posters on here seem intelligent. Personally I blame 7 man teams.. we had 6 man teams in the Elite League in 1997, since they were scrapped the attendances have fallen. 7 man teams are the reason! That, stupid as it sounds, makes as much sense as blaming the playoffs. The playoffs categorically, 100% have nothing to do with the problems in the sport. It is not even a debate to be had for anyone who understands the slightest bit about business. Fred Flange and the other cohorts would be laughed out of any business meeting as they have nothing to put forward. Then I fail to see why you are Debating it then. You seem to know/understand everything about everything. The problem with know alls is - they never know when they are wrong. You insult Fred Flange, me and numerous others. We are all entitled to an opinion - whether you like it or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Then I fail to see why you are Debating it then. You seem to know/understand everything about everything. The problem with know alls is - they never know when they are wrong. You insult Fred Flange, me and numerous others. We are all entitled to an opinion - whether you like it or not. Indeed you are, and you are perfectly entitled to not like the play off ethic, that is a matter of opinion and personal choice. It is when ridiculous statement saying they are responsible in any way shape or form for falling crowds that it becomes wrong. You need to learn the difference between opinion and plain facts. Am I entitled to if the opinion that 2 + 2 = 5 and expect no one to point out that it isnt a matter if opinion, its just total bollox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Indeed you are, and you are perfectly entitled to not like the play off ethic, that is a matter of opinion and personal choice. It is when ridiculous statement saying they are responsible in any way shape or form for falling crowds that it becomes wrong. You need to learn the difference between opinion and plain facts. Am I entitled to if the opinion that 2 + 2 = 5 and expect no one to point out that it isnt a matter if opinion, its just total bollox Why do you need to be so rude Oldass is it in your genes?give your opinion and move on.I notice on this thread yourself, wItcher,Orion with your little likes on each others posts just like kids.I notice you don't go on the years gone by thread much thank god for that.At least on there you can have a good chat learn a bit, with you and the other two it is all about being RIGHT all of the time sad really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Indeed you are, and you are perfectly entitled to not like the play off ethic, that is a matter of opinion and personal choice. It is when ridiculous statement saying they are responsible in any way shape or form for falling crowds that it becomes wrong. You need to learn the difference between opinion and plain facts. Am I entitled to if the opinion that 2 + 2 = 5 and expect no one to point out that it isnt a matter if opinion, its just total bollox Yes - of course you are. :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Wow . People really do not get the difference between fact and opinion. No wonder these discussions go round in circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Wow . People really do not get the difference between fact and opinion. No wonder these discussions go round in circles.Dont you start you are usually ok eaces1? what FACT are you on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Then I fail to see why you are Debating it then. You seem to know/understand everything about everything. The problem with know alls is - they never know when they are wrong. You insult Fred Flange, me and numerous others. We are all entitled to an opinion - whether you like it or not. No, the problem isn't anything to do with 'know-alls'. Being intelligent and having an ability to put forward a coherent argument backed with solid facts is not being a know all. I have been wrong many times and hold my hand up every time and accept it. However I will never state I am wrong when I'm not. You will never here an intelligent person just simply state something is there opinion and hide behind that. They will always back it up with coherent, logical information. An opinion is utterly worthless without that and those who fail to understand that do not belong in intelligent debate. Harsh, but true. Then I fail to see why you are Debating it then. You seem to know/understand everything about everything. The problem with know alls is - they never know when they are wrong. You insult Fred Flange, me and numerous others. We are all entitled to an opinion - whether you like it or not. Nobody has questioned your opinion that you don't like the playoffs. Nobody has questioned your opinion that a fairer sporting method to decide champions is the team that tops the league. What is questioned is your and others ridiculous assertion that the playoffs are responsible for declining crowds. You've been asked many times to back that up with solid evidence and have been unable to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 It is very much Fred Flange who is making some of the other posters on here seem intelligent. Personally I blame 7 man teams.. we had 6 man teams in the Elite League in 1997, since they were scrapped the attendances have fallen. 7 man teams are the reason! That, stupid as it sounds, makes as much sense as blaming the playoffs. The playoffs categorically, 100% have nothing to do with the problems in the sport. It is not even a debate to be had for anyone who understands the slightest bit about business. Fred Flange and the other cohorts would be laughed out of any business meeting as they have nothing to put forward. were 6 man teams in operation in 97? I know they were in 98, where poole 27 witches 63 thrashing took place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 No, the problem isn't anything to do with 'know-alls'. Being intelligent and having an ability to put forward a coherent argument backed with solid facts is not being a know all. I have been wrong many times and hold my hand up every time and accept it. However I will never state I am wrong when I'm not. You will never here an intelligent person just simply state something is there opinion and hide behind that. They will always back it up with coherent, logical information. An opinion is utterly worthless without that and those who fail to understand that do not belong in intelligent debate. Harsh, but true. Nobody has questioned your opinion that you don't like the playoffs. Nobody has questioned your opinion that a fairer sporting method to decide champions is the team that tops the league. What is questioned is your and others ridiculous assertion that the playoffs are responsible for declining crowds. You've been asked many times to back that up with solid evidence and have been unable to do so. How arrogant is that being intelligent?? the way you speak down to others you don't show alot of evidence of being intelligent you are pretty nieve if i am being honest. Your last few words in this post are unreal to be truthful, but nothing surprises me with you Witcher with your poor debating skills your man management skills must be a big Zero.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Why do you need to be so rude Oldass is it in your genes?give your opinion and move on.I notice on this thread yourself, wItcher,Orion with your little likes on each others posts just like kids.I notice you don't go on the years gone by thread much thank god for that.At least on there you can have a good chat learn a bit, with you and the other two it is all about being RIGHT all of the time sad really. Anyone got that black kettle and pot again How arrogant is that being intelligent?? the way you speak down to others you don't show alot of evidence of being intelligent you are pretty nieve if i am being honest. Your last few words in this post are unreal to be truthful, but nothing surprises me with you Witcher with your poor debating skills your man management skills must be a big Zero.!! lol in his last post he ask why people have be so rude ....we are surely only moments away from the standard insults and name calling . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Anyone got that black kettle and pot again I am only rude to people like you.! Anyone got that black kettle and pot again lol in his last post he ask why people have be so rude ....we are surely only moments away from the standard insults and name calling . No because you win then,that is what you want me to do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 I am only rude to people like you.! oh sid, you couldn't make it up!!!!!!! this from mug who thinks I operate 3 or 4 different names! funny when this sort get caught out, they don't man up and apologise, id never waste my time with that kind of person 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 oh sid, you couldn't make it up!!!!!!! this from mug who thinks I operate 3 or 4 different names! funny when this sort get caught out, they don't man up and apologise, id never waste my time with that kind of person No I am sure you got more than that Steve .sorry Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 No I am sure you got more than that Steve .sorry Colin and there goes the arrogance of someone who "thinks" he right....just for you orion, like rob72, I will no longer reply to you. sorry to others for going off topic on this thread....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 and there goes the arrogance of someone who "thinks" he right....just for you orion, like rob72, I will no longer reply to you. sorry to others for going off topic on this thread....... What about Steve ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Speedway is an individual sport played by teams to give it an attractive format. So the riders move up and down leagues and internationally on the basis of their skill. Promotion and relegation of the teams seems pointless anyway. It's a good way of organising teams and letting them find their level, but other than that don't see why it's needed or desirable. Maybe if there were 100 pro speedway teams in the UK we could look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If you want to just facts then the fact is the fa pl has seen attendance's increase and over the same period speedway has seen a significant fall. On that basis I stand by my earlier post, it is backed up by facts. What exactly has speedway got to lose by copying the fa pl model? The only one offering opinions as facts and then becoming abusive (tough guy keyboard warrior?) when an alternative fact is offered is you! Anyway, like I keep saying I'll carry on advocating the successful fa pl model as the way forward, if you want speedway to be run like other less successful sports then fine, that's your perogotive and as things stand you've got your way which must make you feel even more self satisfied and smug. The irony is you and the other abusive keyboard warrior probably don't even go anymore. So again no plan or answer on how the crowds would get better without the plays offs ...how on earth can Speedway follow the fa model unless sky gives massive amounts of money has a champions league and can have Promotion and relegation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 If you want to just facts then the fact is the fa pl has seen attendance's increase and over the same period speedway has seen a significant fall. On that basis I stand by my earlier post, it is backed up by facts. What exactly has speedway got to lose by copying the fa pl model? Football is a far more popular sport, with far more money, and far more idiots willing to pour money into teams. Having pissing contests between Russian oligarchs and Arab Sheikhs is no sensible way to run a sport, and whilst it may seem to work in football, it would be disastrous for speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Football is a far more popular sport, with far more money, and far more idiots willing to pour money into teams. Having pissing contests between Russian oligarchs and Arab Sheikhs is no sensible way to run a sport, and whilst it may seem to work in football, it would be disastrous for speedway. Don't try and bring some sense to it Humphrey.. it will fall on deaf ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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