Play Offs Should They Be Scrapped.?

[stratton]

I actually think if the play/offs was scrapped, it would not make that much difference to the crowds to be honest.I actually think by having the play/offs it does affect crowds?it certainly does for the bread and butter meetings and certainly the live sky nights.People seem to pick and choose there meeting's now, no real youngsters coming and taking over from the diehards like me.I actually think the play/offs paper over the real problems speedway has, and going by Swindon's crowds last year they have real problems.For whatever sport you have for me you have to have an outright CHAMPION did TAI win his title in a play/off?.Another comment that did not add up from WItcher he says the crowds are not affected by the entertainment value REALLY? If i was watching complete dross every week i certainly would not keep going i used to go to football most weeks.But I stopped going regularly because i don't enjoy it as much as yesteryear and in my view is vastly overpriced and overated.Look it does not bother me that much about results playoffs teams (ect) i go just to enjoy the racing the winning means nothing to me.

As already explained you have champions league spots . , relegation and the higher you finish means you can million of extra pounds ...something that Speedway does not the luxury of . so yet another easy question to answer

There are not Millions in Division 2,and the winner of the league are still Champions.

[orion]

I actually think if the play/offs was scrapped, it would not make that much difference to the crowds to be honest.I actually think by having the play/offs it does affect crowds?it certainly does for the bread and butter meetings and certainly the live sky nights.People seem to pick and choose there meeting's now, no real youngsters coming and taking over from the diehards like me.I actually think the play/offs paper over the real problems speedway has, and going by Swindon's crowds last year they have real problems.For whatever sport you have for me you have to have an outright CHAMPION did TAI win his title in a play/off?.Another comment that did not add up from WItcher he says the crowds are not affected by the entertainment value REALLY? If i was watching complete dross every week i certainly would not keep going i used to go to football most weeks.But I stopped going regularly because i don't enjoy it as much as yesteryear and in my view is vastly overpriced and overated.Look it does not bother me that much about results playoffs teams (ect) i go just to enjoy the racing the winning means nothing to me.

There are not Millions in Division 2,and the winner of the league are still Champions.

Yet again why would a live sky match have a bigger crowd if there were no play offs ? also why would there be bring bigger crowds to the bread and butter matches ...you keep saying this but don't come up with any answer to why it would .

Edited November 24, 2015 by orion

[BWitcher]

Yes really.

 

Do the best tracks for racing have the biggest crowds? If they don't, quality of racing isn't much of a factor.

 

I'll help you out.. they don't.

 

A team winning most weeks with average racing will get bigger gates than one losing every week with great racing.

[stratton]

Yes really.

 

Do the best tracks for racing have the biggest crowds? If they don't, quality of racing isn't much of a factor.

 

I'll help you out.. they don't.

 

A team winning most weeks with average racing will get bigger gates than one losing every week with great racing.

They don't get many at Lakeside is that anything to do with the entertainment value? surely diehards like myself would stop going if the racing was complete dross.Surely not everybody is that fickle to pick winning over non entertainment, i would like to think most people have gone to the abbey over the years because the racing has been generally good and have enjoyed there night out.

Yet again why would a live sky match have a bigger crowd if there were no play offs ? also why would there be bring bigger crowds to the bread and butter matches ...you keep saying this but don't come up with any answer to why it would .

Before the play offs people still went, even if they were bottom of the league a couple of decent play/off crowds do not make up for alot of the moderate gates throughout the season it just covers over a few cracks.

[The White Knight]

They don't get many at Lakeside is that anything to do with the entertainment value? surely diehards like myself would stop going if the racing was complete dross.Surely not everybody is that fickle to pick winning over non entertainment, i would like to think most people have gone to the abbey over the years because the racing has been generally good and have enjoyed there night out.

Before the play offs people still went, even if they were bottom of the league a couple of decent play/off crowds do not make up for alot of the moderate gates throughout the season it just covers over a few cracks.

Only for the Clubs that make the Play Offs - as far as I am aware they don't share the Play Off money out.

 

Or perhaps I am wrong, at least about that.

 

I am sure that BW and his sidekick 'Penfold' will be happy to put me right.

[orion]

They don't get many at Lakeside is that anything to do with the entertainment value? surely diehards like myself would stop going if the racing was complete dross.Surely not everybody is that fickle to pick winning over non entertainment, i would like to think most people have gone to the abbey over the years because the racing has been generally good and have enjoyed there night out.

Before the play offs people still went, even if they were bottom of the league a couple of decent play/off crowds do not make up for alot of the moderate gates throughout the season it just covers over a few cracks.

Lakeside get better crowds overall that boro and scunny two of best tracks in the uk in fact both have been danger of closing down in the last couple of years so it's show that the racing it not that important . The Plays offs are a lot more than a couple of big gates at the end of season for example Swindon signed Ward last year because they still had a chance of making the play offs and the crowd went up by 20 % .

 

As I ask before why would the crowds go up because there were no play offs ..I ask you about 3 times now and for some reason you can't come with an answer .

Only for the Clubs that make the Play Offs - as far as I am aware they don't share the Play Off money out.

 

Or perhaps I am wrong, at least about that.

 

I am sure that BW and his sidekick 'Penfold' will be happy to put me right.

And ? without the play offs no one would get any money so what is better ...that what happens in sport and in life if you do well you get the rewards ..

[The White Knight]

Lakeside get better crowds overall that boro and scunny two of best tracks in the uk in fact both have been danger of closing down in the last couple of years so it's show that the racing it not that important . The Plays offs are a lot more than a couple of big gates at the end of season for example Swindon signed Ward last year because they still had a chance of making the play offs and the crowd went up by 20 % .

 

As I ask before why would the crowds go up because there were no play offs ..I ask you about 3 times now and for some reason you can't come with an answer .

Try the word credibilty.

 

I believe that part of the reason people have packed up attending is that the Sport has lost it's credibility.

 

To be credible the League Champions need to be just that. You can have any other Competition you like at the end of the Season - but crucially - not the League Championship - as that has already been won.....

 

I know that I will never convince you - I also know that you will never convince me either, therefore - we must agree to differ.

[orion]

Try the word credibilty.

 

I believe that part of the reason people have packed up attending is that the Sport has lost it's credibility.

 

To be credible the League Champions need to be just that. You can have any other Competition you like at the end of the Season - but crucially - not the League Championship - as that has already been won.....

 

I know that I will never convince you - I also know that you will never convince me either, therefore - we must agree to differ.

So if Plays offs have done that how comes in the other sports they don't walk away I agree Speedway has lost it's credibility but there is no link with the plays offs as shown by other sports that used them and are doing just fine ... it's nothing to about trying to convince you the fact is you can't come up any valid points that backs up your standpoint ..the one on here as I have shown is easy to brush a side .

Edited November 24, 2015 by orion

[ColinMills]

blimey, this still going on? quite clearly none of you/us will change opinion. having been around to

see both, I have to believe top side over set amount of games are champions..the play offs, like many

new rules, double up, double points, all just to gimmicy. yes, I know at least two will disagree, but

we all know who agrees and don't agree on this subject by now

[steve roberts]

blimey, this still going on? quite clearly none of you/us will change opinion. having been around to

see both, I have to believe top side over set amount of games are champions..the play offs, like many

new rules, double up, double points, all just to gimmicy. yes, I know at least two will disagree, but

we all know who agrees and don't agree on this subject by now

I know! The thread's lost me...can't keep up with it. Time to move on I think!

[orion]

I know! The thread's lost me...can't keep up with it. Time to move on I think!

it no wonder when your posting under two names ....at least try to write in another style ,then we might not guess that you and Colin Mills were the same person .

[steve roberts]

it no wonder when your posting under two names ....at least try to write in another style ,then we might not guess that you and Colin Mills were the same person .

I like it! However not true!

[BWitcher]

Try the word credibilty.

 

I believe that part of the reason people have packed up attending is that the Sport has lost it's credibility.

 

To be credible the League Champions need to be just that. You can have any other Competition you like at the end of the Season - but crucially - not the League Championship - as that has already been won.....

 

I know that I will never convince you - I also know that you will never convince me either, therefore - we must agree to differ.

 

Again you're in fairy land

 

Do you have the slightest comprehension what is happening in the world around you.

 

Do you think the Polish and Swedish leagues have issues with 'credibility' due to the winners being determined by playoffs.

 

What about Rugby League?

What about Rugby Union?

NHL?

NBA?

MLB?

NFL?

Nascar?

Premier League Darts?

 

All successful sports, all use playoffs..

 

If you want to talk about lack of credibility, that is precisely what your point lacks. You can keep saying it as much as you like, but in the REAL world, the reality is quite different.

blimey, this still going on? quite clearly none of you/us will change opinion. having been around to

see both, I have to believe top side over set amount of games are champions..the play offs, like many

new rules, double up, double points, all just to gimmicy. yes, I know at least two will disagree, but

we all know who agrees and don't agree on this subject by now

 

More utter nonsense.

Champions are not decided by 'what you believe'

 

They are decided by a pre-agreed set of rules. The winners by those set of rules are TRUE champions.

 

End of, no further discussion needed.

[ColinMills]

end of? because you say so? not how it works on here bw.

im quite happy for you to ignore me, happy for you to disagree with me, but as for "no further discussion",thats YOUR choice

[BWitcher]

end of? because you say so? not how it works on here bw.

im quite happy for you to ignore me, happy for you to disagree with me, but as for "no further discussion",thats YOUR choice

 

No, it is end of. Factually. End of story.

 

Now there's a childrens sections if you want to go there and play make believe.

 

However, back in the real world. TRUE champions are decided by rules, not what you believe.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions last year. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions the year before. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

As I said, that is it. End of. Not because I say so, but simply because it is.

Edited November 24, 2015 by BWitcher

[stratton]

No, it is end of. Factually. End of story.

 

Now there's a childrens sections if you want to go there and play make believe.

 

However, back in the real world. TRUE champions are decided by rules, not what you believe.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions last year. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions the year before. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

As I said, that is it. End of. Not because I say so, but simply because it is.

There are rules but it does not mean the rules are right,i think you would be surprised how many dont agree with your theory.

[The White Knight]

 

No, it is end of. Factually. End of story.

 

Now there's a childrens sections if you want to go there and play make believe.

 

However, back in the real world. TRUE champions are decided by rules, not what you believe.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions last year. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

Poole were Elite League Champions the year before. Why? Because they won the Grand Final.

 

As I said, that is it. End of. Not because I say so, but simply because it is.

Doesn't make it right though.

 

End of.

[BWitcher]

There are rules but it does not mean the rules are right,i think you would be surprised how many dont agree with your theory.

 

There is no theory. It is reality.

 

Yeah, you must be right Sid, that's why the terraces are empty for the playoffs.. cus folk think its just not right...

[AlanF]

One of the reasons that play offs occur in just about all American and

Australian sports is because of the unbalanced schedule due to the huge geographic area. The teams do not play the same number of games against each team and so it would not be fair to crown the team with the best record as champions as they may have had a weaker schedule.

 

Clearly the playoffs are hugely popular with the paying public and will

Never disappear. However, I don't see why you can't have the best of both worlds.

 

Major League Soccer awards the Supporters Shield to the team with the best record at the end of the regular season and it is a prestigious trophy. They then play the play offs and the winners are the champions. I don't see why the Elite League could not do that.

[BWitcher]

All well and good, but the winners of the playoffs are the Champions.

 

The folk on here want it to be the other way round, which it isn't, in any of these sports.