ColinMills Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 VHS worked well for years too.I guess your team never made the finals??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 totally agree,as someone who saw a side win 5 ko cups, I can assure you these "tin pot cups" did work So why then do you think the KO cup fell by the wayside. Was it maybe because crowds were so huge there were major concerns for their safety. Could it have been there was so much cash coming through the turnstiles that they couldn't fit it in the car boot. Or could there be another reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 derrrr, the league is a massive flop, ave 700 a week at most venues, league cup is a flop, in fact the whole sport in England is a flop. the ONLY success crowd wise IS the play offs, so do we just hold 2 games a year??? we just give up "promoting" the sport and throw away cup comps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Yea there would hold up's on the motorway if it was at Peterborough Sadly as I said fans very rarely travel away in numbers these days making your idea a non starter . Your opinion, I will politely disagree sir. Edited October 7, 2015 by PNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I can only speak by experience,i have witnessed "5" koc finals, they have ALL been well supported with away crowds as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) However, those sports who dish out a trophy to the league winners, but it doesn't really mean anything as the winners of the playoffs are what its all about then you have. I think the American and National Leagues are still generally considered worth winning in their own right, even if the big prize is the World Series. The Stanley Cup has a more interesting background as it was historically a challenge cup that teams from different leagues could play off for, subject to the approval of the trustees of the cup. As such, I don't think it technically belongs to the NHL and as such other leagues could challenge for it, although there are now none of sufficient standard so it's not happened for years. Australian Rules Aussie Rules has the best playoff system, whether it be the Final Four, Final Five or Final Eight system currently used (the Final Six system used for a while was rubbish though). Finishing higher in the league table (although it's not a full home-and-away round robin) gives more advantages to those sides - whether home advantage, bye or double chance. Edited October 7, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 So why then do you think the KO cup fell by the wayside. Was it maybe because crowds were so huge there were major concerns for their safety. Could it have been there was so much cash coming through the turnstiles that they couldn't fit it in the car boot. Or could there be another reason. Wasn't that the competition that introduced the farcical match-race option for a team so many points behind? I can't remember exactly because I stopped going when they turned it from a meaningful competition to a Mickey Mouse one. Ah, that could be the 'another reason' you're looking for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Wasn't that the competition that introduced the farcical match-race option for a team so many points behind? I can't remember exactly because I stopped going when they turned it from a meaningful competition to a Mickey Mouse one. Ah, that could be the 'another reason' you're looking for. The reason they brought it in was to try to save it as was already a dead duck ..so not the reason your looking for . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 what koc final flopped crowd wise please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 cricket gets massive crowds in India anyway, but hey you might just have stumbled on the answer. Instead of each team racing each other home and away twice in the qualifiers you could run a traditional league championship and call the winners league champions and invent and run a completely different form of speedway with a league qualifier and a cup format to decide the winner and call the winners the 'completely different form of speedway league champions'. We could have something like one lap races, relay races, fixed lanes, three against one races, double points power plays etc etc. It might not appeal to some but some people don't like 20/20 cricket and I'm sure you will be able to come up with a better name for the new format than I did. The key is that the kind of people who don't like 20/20 and the kind of people who don't like plays offs etc ..the one thing speedway does not need is idea's like cricket has brought in that brought in massive crowds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The reason they brought it in was to try to save it as was already a dead duck ..so not the reason your looking for . Really? I attended a couple of finals just before that and, as Colin Mills said, they were well attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Best crowds are for the league playoffs. Why would you think that a cup final wouldnt be a big draw?And thats not just for Speedway. Pretty much all sports draw big crowds in playoffs and Cup Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 still awaiting to hear the last cup final crowd that was lower turnout than a normal league match??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Cheer up When did cricket change? I'm pretty sure Yorkshire finished top of the league and were crowned champions this year. Yup!! :approve: derrrr, the league is a massive flop, ave 700 a week at most venues, league cup is a flop, in fact the whole sport in England is a flop. the ONLY success crowd wise IS the play offs, so do we just hold 2 games a year??? we just give up "promoting" the sport and throw away cup comps? Might as well chuck out the League Matches - they count for nothing anyway. Apart from getting in to a Cup Competition. :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 You'll be suggesting a five match test series against Australia next. No ..but what I would subject as we speak the powers that be are to change Test Cricket as overall it's not working ,,,of course you are aware of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 No ..but what I would subject as we speak the powers that be are to change Test Cricket as overall it's not working ,,,of course you are aware of that I don't think they will change the 'Ashes' orion. At least I bloody hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I don't think they will change the 'Ashes' orion. At least I bloody hope not. I hope not as well ..when it comes to cricket I am old school to be fair .....but as said overall test cricket is finding it hard ...are know you love this but they going to bring in day /night test matches with Pink balls etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I hope not as well ..when it comes to cricket I am old school to be fair ..... The beauty of Twenty20 was that it didn't fundamentally change the game into nonsense. It's better than ODIs in that respect, what with the endless tinkering of power plays and super subs etc.. The one change I'd make is to stop allowing players to play with tree trunks rather than bats. Does the ball really need to be going out of the stadium every over? BTW - they have tinkered with the test match format over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The KO Cup Final crowds held up ok.. However the early rounds did not and were attracting crowds way lower than league meetings. Personally I liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) I think the American and National Leagues are still generally considered worth winning in their own right, even if the big prize is the World Series. Not disputing that, indeed the individual leagues are worth winning.. I know that from experience as my Blue Jays have just clinched the American League East. However, that's just a stepping stone, a nice bonus on the way to the bigger prizes ahead. I was merely highlighting to Ouch that play-offs are the norm in most team sports, whereas he was trying to allude, via his 'mate' that they're not. Edited October 7, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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