SCB Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I say whoever tops the league, is league champions, then create a tournament from the play offs, as like or loathe them, play offs are good income for the clubs. But if the play-offs only win a play-off title and not a league title nobody goes and nobody cares. It was tried for years, it was called the Craven Shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Play off champions would be a title neither fans, riders or clubs would have any interest in winning and no one would go to watch them. There is nothing to sort out, the play offs are one of the few good things to come out of the sport in the last 15 years, they need leaving alone Not if it is marketed right, I dunno, call it the 'super cup' and the winners get big money (get Sky to stump up) then everyone will be going for it! Qualification is top four in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) They're becoming the exception though and, as you say, they do have play offs in lower divisions. Yes, but not for a league championship. Football has yet to devalue a season-long series of league matches by turning them into qualifying games for a four-team Championship play-off Edited September 24, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 if there was a separate play off trophy perhaps sky could put up some serious money for those taking part. They get Speedway on the cheap compared with what they pay other sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 if there was a separate play off trophy perhaps sky could put up some serious money for those taking part. They get Speedway on the cheap compared with what they pay other sports SKY have shown no interest in showing arguably the most exciting meeting of the season (The GP Challenge) why would they want to chuck money at some tinpot trophy to appease the speedway dinosaurs? As for comparing speedway to football that is just plain ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 As for comparing speedway to football that is just plain ridiculous. Exactly! The Johnson Paint Trophy probably gets more people watching. What do Sky pay for that? Sky may not pay much for speedway but not many people watch it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 There is some irony in this. Most of those who complain of the whole league season coming down to just one meeting at the end of the year being unfair and it should be best team over the season wins invariably are the same ones who think best rider over a season shouldn't be world champion and it should come down to just one meeting at the end of the year The World Championship is DIFFERENT,and in this day/age why couldn't we have both? the series and a one off final the reason is money and looking in just a few people creaming it in taking everything out and no money spiralling down for speedway to develop.Funny thing is when the series came in why didn't the public get a say? odvious really just a few greedy people bulldozed the idea through therefore destroying speedway certainly in England.Look i like the series it has modernised speedway,but it has not been GOOD for speedway it has killed England as a serious league also people can say what they want the series is a closed shop for just few.Yes, lets scrap the only decent thing to happen in British speedway in the last 15 years!You are kidding right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) The World Championship is DIFFERENT,and in this day/age why couldn't we have both? the series and a one off final the reason is money and looking in just a few people creaming it in taking everything out and no money spiralling down for speedway to develop.Funny thing is when the series came in why didn't the public get a say? odvious really just a few greedy people bulldozed the idea through therefore destroying speedway certainly in England.Look i like the series it has modernised speedway,but it has not been GOOD for speedway it has killed England as a serious league also people can say what they want the series is a closed shop for just few. You are kidding right? Due to the risk of the public wanting a one off world final to remain and one meeting with an attendance of 40,000 when it could run 8/10/11 with an average attendance of 10,000 at each? The idea that the GP alone is what has “killed” speedway in this country is nonsensical there are 100s of contributing factors at play that have led to dwindling crowds, the vast majority of which aren’t even the fault of the sport, we live in an interactive age and era. There are so many more things for people to do now than attend speedway tracks every other night of the week. To say "people can say what they want" yet then burry ones head in the sand to what people are saying which happens to be that any rider can actually qualify for the GP, which is fact, an actual genuine tangibile valid thing, makes it absurdly difficult to afford any validity to what you are saying. Edited September 24, 2015 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 should play off,s be scrapped imo yes they should ,all season ive folled edin/mon every home meeting ,also every glas/edin away berwick,new.c redcar workie. seffield,for myloyality edin .also glasg ow have put up prices , although im on computer, i dont own one,have to use this one when i ger a chance ,also not got credit/debit card so booking pre meeting is out of my choice,some loyality for folling speedway and having only have cash.so in that frame of mind edinbugh .monarchs did win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK86 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I would prefer the Rugby League System of the team who finishes top gets the League Leaders Shield, then obviously crack on with Elite Playoffs for the usual Elite League Champions.In Premier League it is a mess because still have KO Cup to be decided and the League Cup, which means could be lucky to get all playoff meetings done by end of October, not ideal ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 should play off,s be scrapped imo yes they should ,all season ive folled edin/mon every home meeting ,also every glas/edin away berwick,new.c redcar workie. seffield,for myloyality edin .also glasg ow have put up prices , although im on computer, i dont own one,have to use this one when i ger a chance ,also not got credit/debit card so booking pre meeting is out of my choice,some loyality for folling speedway and having only have cash.so in that frame of mind edinbugh .monarchs did win the league :blink: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 :blink: thank you for your support blazeaway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) should play off,s be scrapped imo yes they should ,all season ive folled edin/mon every home meeting ,also every glas/edin away berwick,new.c redcar workie. seffield,for myloyality edin .also glasg ow have put up prices , although im on computer, i dont own one,have to use this one when i ger a chance ,also not got credit/debit card so booking pre meeting is out of my choice,some loyality for folling speedway and having only have cash.so in that frame of mind edinbugh .monarchs did win the league Anyone got a Chucks-To-English dictionary? PS Play-offs are here to stay. Fixed dates are needed, though. All the best Rob Edited September 24, 2015 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I back the play offs 100%. Creates excitement in all forms of media and social media, crowds are nearly always up for play off times, and it keeps people intrested. Imagine Belle Vue's end of season crowds etc if they didn't have a chance of the play offs, can't imagine it would of created the excitement it did. I re-started watching, following and attending speedway in 2012 because of the excitement of the world cup and play offs. I saw good crowds, exciting and competitive racing and a grand final at the end of it. Although they are different counties and in a slightly better place that British Speedway.. The play offs are also done in Sweden, Poland and Denmark (not 100% sure on that) and seem to work. The ideal of a play off shield will just not create enough interest than the play offs do now I don't think.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Although I don't agree with league champions being decided by play-offs I know full well they are here to stay. One or two matches for four teams being played in front of higher crowds will see to that. The fact that may be at the expense of attendances for most of the qualifying matches being conveniently overlooked. Edited September 24, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Although I don't agree with league champions being decided by play-offs I know full well they are here to stay. One or two matches for four teams being played in front of higher crowds will see to that, the fact that may be at the expense of attendances for most of the qualifying matches being conveniently overlooked. The exact opposite is true. All teams bar Wolves, Lakeside and Leicester have had meaningful matches right through to the end of the season with the benefit of increased crowds to watch them. Without play offs all team bar Poole, and maybe Coventry would have had no interest in the season from June onwards and been racing in front of just a few hundred fans. Edited September 24, 2015 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The exact opposite is true. All teams bar Wolves, Lakeside and Leicester have had meaningful matches right through to the end of the season with the benefit of increased crowds to watch them. Without play offs all team bar Poole, and maybe Coventry would have had no interest in the season from June onwards and been racing in front of just a few hundred fans. Hmm, ok. Though I have heard folk say, once a team has safely qualified, they're not going to some matches because they're keeping their money for the play-offs. Since top to fourth makes no difference some matches are pointless. Works both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Anyone got a Chucks-To-English dictionary? PS Play-offs are here to stay. Fixed dates are needed, though. All the best Rob please be aware i suffer and got m.s i do well to get on with my life ups and downs and its not nice when someone like you take the crap and make a fool of me so what ifmy story might not be to your liking but you must have understood it so some degree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Due to the risk of the public wanting a one off world final to remain and one meeting with an attendance of 40,000 when it could run 8/10/11 with an average attendance of 10,000 at each? The idea that the GP alone is what has killed speedway in this country is nonsensical there are 100s of contributing factors at play that have led to dwindling crowds, the vast majority of which arent even the fault of the sport, we live in an interactive age and era. There are so many more things for people to do now than attend speedway tracks every other night of the week. To say "people can say what they want" yet then burry ones head in the sand to what people are saying which happens to be that any rider can actually qualify for the GP, which is fact, an actual genuine tangibile valid thing, makes it absurdly difficult to afford any validity to what you are saying. My opinion and you have yours,and if you believe everybody has a chance to enter the WC then you are deluded the first EIGHT pick themselves everyear anyway don't they.?And answer this are you seriously telling me the GP series has had no affect on the crowds since the series began.The crowds were going down up until the series started but British speedway then was still in better shape than it is now tracks then were not dictated to then.( ie on which night they could run also Wembley's one/off crowds were only something Cardiff could ever dream of getting. Edited September 24, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 My opinion and you have yours,and if you believe everybody has a chance to enter the WC then you are deluded the first EIGHT pick themselves everyear anyway don't they.?And answer this are you seriously telling me the GP series has had no affect on the crowds since the series began.The crowds were going down up until the series started but British speedway then was still in better shape than it is now tracks then were not dictated to then.( ie on which night they could run also Wembley's one/off crowds were only something Cardiff could ever dream of getting. Funny thing happened to me recently Sidney. My bath has been leaking steadily for a few weeks, nothing much so I just ignored it. The big bulge in the lounge ceiling was getting bigger but like I say, no big deal. Then one night we turned on the telly to watch coronation street and the ceiling came crashing down. Now people have tried to tell me that there is no link but it is a fact my ceiling was in far better shape pre Thursdays nights Corrie, up to watching corrie that night it was only getting steadily worse then wallop, the whole ceiling is in. If ITV had stuck Emmerdale on at this time everything would have been OK. Well I think so anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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