stratton Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) I wondered how others felt should the play/offs stay or should they be scrapped.For me they have run there cause are past there sell buy date i thought the main reason for them were the revenue created by the semi/final meeting's and Final.At Swindon for the second leg i thought the crowd was pretty average compared to other years, i would like to go back to the top of the league team being Champions.Then have a FA cup type top four drawn out of a hat for opponents semi finals leading to a grand Final therefore creating a chance for a team to get the Double. Edited September 24, 2015 by sidney 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post customhouseregular Posted September 24, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes sidney, they certainly should be scrapped. not only that, the El and Pl should amalgamate to produce a sensible size league with a meaningful fixture list. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes scrap them. Said it all along, a season long campaign should not be decided by the lottery of a couple of meetings at the end of the season. It means the team that worked the hardest all season long will not necessarily be rewarded, especially if one of the play off teams cheats to manipulate better riders for those final meetings. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Once SKY have had enough of British speedway they can go-until then they stay !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes sidney, they certainly should be scrapped. not only that, the El and Pl should amalgamate to produce a sensible size league with a meaningful fixture list.Would love that Custom, a bit of variation different tracks it could work if everybody pulled in the right direction but we all know in speedway that never happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Whilst SKY are involved there is no way that they will be scrapped. as SKY rule the roost and the BSPA does as it's told. I have always believed that the league champions should be the team that tops the league,,,,,, but I have no problem with having a Play off system with another trophy to go for,,,, the SKY Speedway gold cup or whatever they want to name it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREDON Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should definitely be scrapped and the season extended for all teams into October Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldace Posted September 24, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 There is some irony in this. Most of those who complain of the whole league season coming down to just one meeting at the end of the year being unfair and it should be best team over the season wins invariably are the same ones who think best rider over a season shouldn't be world champion and it should come down to just one meeting at the end of the year 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes, lets scrap the only decent thing to happen in British speedway in the last 15 years! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) It evidently isn’t just the Semi/Finals it is the weeks/months leading up to the Play Offs as well where crowds are boosted. The crowds at speedway in general are dwindling off, even during the season, it isn’t a shock that has reflected when it comes to the Play Offs. It is probably worth thinking what crowds would have been like at most tracks if there wasn’t Play Offs eg Belle Vue’s fixtures for the last 2 months have been meaningful rather than most thinking can they finish 20 points behind Poole rather than 23. Edited September 24, 2015 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I can't understand why the powers that be can't just sort this out. It would be very simple to rectify, one trophy for the league winners, and another for the play off champs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I can't understand why the powers that be can't just sort this out. It would be very simple to rectify, one trophy for the league winners, and another for the play off champs. Play off champions would be a title neither fans, riders or clubs would have any interest in winning and no one would go to watch them. There is nothing to sort out, the play offs are one of the few good things to come out of the sport in the last 15 years, they need leaving alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Play off champions would be a title neither fans, riders or clubs would have any interest in winning and no one would go to watch them. There is nothing to sort out, the play offs are one of the few good things to come out of the sport in the last 15 years, they need leaving alone It works in other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) It works in other sports. No such thing in the top sporting league in the country - football's Premier League. In the lesser divisions maybe, but not at the top. It takes a season to win the Premier League title, not a couple of lucky matches at the end after finishing third or fourth. Edited September 24, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 No such thing in the top sporting league in the country - football's Premier League. In the lesser divisions maybe, but not at the top. It takes a season to win the Premier League title, not a couple of lucky matches at the end after finishing third or fourth. I don't disagree, I think everyone realises that the team at the top of the league are the true champs. We do, however, have a situation where play offs are part of our sport, & I don't see anything wrong in giving a trophy to both league & play off winners. As things stand at present the team that wins the play offs get the glory, & they are not necessarily the best team over the full season. So why not reward the league winners, as I said it works in other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) No such thing in the top sporting league in the country - football's Premier League. In the lesser divisions maybe, but not at the top. It takes a season to win the Premier League title, not a couple of lucky matches at the end after finishing third or fourth. They're becoming the exception though and, as you say, they do have play offs in lower divisions. There's no doubt that they make sure interest - and through that attendances - is maintained. Both the EL & PL play offs have gone to the wire this season and there's every chance the titles will too. The best match I have ever seen - Mildenhall v Scunthorpe - was a play off final match and a huge chunk of what made it my best ever was the fact that it was a play off. I wonder how big Swindon's gate would have been if they had lost the first match by 6 or 8 ? Personally, I do think league winners should be league winners but I really don't think speedway is in a position to abandon anything that creates interest and revenue. Edited September 24, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Play off champions would be a title neither fans, riders or clubs would have any interest in winning and no one would go to watch them. There is nothing to sort out, the play offs are one of the few good things to come out of the sport in the last 15 years, they need leaving alone You have it the wrong way around. People want the title that will make them "Elite League Champions", that would be what you get for winning the play-offs as now. What you could then have is the Craven Shield that is awarded to the team that finished top of the league but would not be League Champions. Im not sure if it was last year or the year before where I proposed that the fans got together and bought a trophy for the league winners to have each season. I had about 3 positive responses. Clearly people are not that bothered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 You have it the wrong way around. People want the title that will make them "Elite League Champions", that would be what you get for winning the play-offs as now. What you could then have is the Craven Shield that is awarded to the team that finished top of the league but would not be League Champions. Im not sure if it was last year or the year before where I proposed that the fans got together and bought a trophy for the league winners to have each season. I had about 3 positive responses. Clearly people are not that bothered! That was the point I was trying to make. Silly made up titles "unofficial world champion" "play off champions" etc are of no interest to anybody. The only title that matters is Elite League champions and the play offs are a good money spinning way of deciding that. To start giving silly names and inventing competitions within competitions would be silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I say whoever tops the league, is league champions, then create a tournament from the play offs, as like or loathe them, play offs are good income for the clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 That was the point I was trying to make. Silly made up titles "unofficial world champion" "play off champions" etc are of no interest to anybody. The only title that matters is Elite League champions and the play offs are a good money spinning way of deciding that. To start giving silly names and inventing competitions within competitions would be silly. There is a perfectly good way of deciding 'league champions', a way that has been used in sport for well over a hundred years (and, in the world's top spectator sport, still is) - accumulating more points than every other team and finishing top. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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