Newcastle 2016

[TheScotsman]

But does a number 8 have to be a (sub-)3 pointer or just lower than the current number 7 (who could be on more than a 3)?

[bri1966]

Could there be 2 new riders in the team on 1st of September ?

[Tsunami]

Lewis' injury was very unfortunate and agree I can't understand why we haven't replaced Phillips - can only assume there literally isn't an alternative.

 

But we had the opportunity to get Victor down to reserve thus negating the loss of Lewis. With R/R Victor can take two of his former no 2 rides, Matty can take heat 8, leaving only 1 ride to account for. Surely that's a better option than signing a rider who is not likely to get anywhere near the points Lewis was getting?

 

The only possible reasoning I can think of is the unwilingness to run with a 6 man team. But if anyone is injured surely we'd be allowed to sign a replacement or at least use a guest.

Hit the nail on the head. More injuries, especially early in a meeting, would be suicidal and could cost us the meeting. In the Playoffs you have to be potentially looking to win any meeting. I am not disappointed with Morris, but let's not think he is anywhere near the form of Lewis has had recently. There is not a rider at his average at the moment capable of outscoring him IMO. Morris has had brilliant spells with other clubs and showed signs of being potentially a much higher average rider than 4.58. This is now his chance to show us that previous times, when he has been considered for the Diamonds, were justified. Think how many similar riders like Schraam, Tero, Mills, Simon, Pepe, and now Viktor were written off and dropped, only to come to Brough and restart there careers to become much better and higher averaged riders. Why Ashley hasn't kicked on in say the last 4 to 5 years I don't know. He has usually been the one dropped from teams, to get a higher averaged rider in to strengthen a team, so that is hardly failure. I used to watch him in about 2010, and at that time his entry into the bends was a la Kenni Larsen and Will Lawson. Full on and sideways, making it easier to be in line ready for the next straight. Let's hope he remembers that, because if he does, we might have a real find on our hands. But not of course to the level of Lewis I add. Suit being made for Ashley I hear, but sadly Lewis's kevlars had to be cut off him to be examined, prior to being despatched to the hospital.

 

Welcome Ashley, I really hope you will surprise many.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Tsunami

[ruffdiamond]

one good thing is that he has won races at Brough in the past, and not only beating dross,,, so if he can gate we might be ok at home.

wandered why he's always on the move tho, but if thats what we have we can only encourage the lad.

[leander]

But does a number 8 have to be a (sub-)3 pointer or just lower than the current number 7 (who could be on more than a 3)?

The number 8 must not be listed another teams 1 - 7 and must not have a green sheet average above 3. Furthermore he can only be used in the place of the rider replacement rides.

 

Personally I think Newcastle have done the right thing in tracking a seven man team. Victor is averaging less than 5 away from home and he would be required to take 7 rides guaranteed. It would only take an injury to someone else and you are really struggling. Bearing in mind the promoters only had a 2/3 hours to get someone in place before the midnight deadline I think they've done ok. Besides should Lewis' injury not be as bad as first feared we can still, I believe, bring him back in.

[ruffdiamond]

A few year ago when we won the league, or finished top of it anyway, we never replaced Steve Worrall after he done his leg and I think thats what cost us in the play-offs, just IMO tho

The number 8 must not be listed another teams 1 - 7 and must not have a green sheet average above 3. Furthermore he can only be used in the place of the rider replacement rides.

if thats correct, I think we've done the right thing.

[NJC71]

Hit the nail on the head. More injuries, especially early in a meeting, would be suicidal and could cost us the meeting. In the Playoffs you have to be potentially looking to win any meeting. I am not disappointed with Morris, but let's not think he is anywhere near the form of Lewis has had recently. There is not a rider at his average at the moment capable of outscoring him IMO. Morris has had brilliant spells with other clubs and showed signs of being potentially a much higher average rider than 4.58. This is now his chance to show us that previous times, when he has been considered for the Diamonds, were justified. Think how many similar riders like Schraam, Teo, Mills, Simon, Pepe, and now Viktor were written off and dropped, only to come to Brough and restart there careers to become much better and higher averaged riders. Why Ashley hasn't kicked on in say the last 4 to 5 years I don't know. He has usually been the one dropped from teams, to get a higher averaged rider in to strengthen a team, so that is hardly failure. I used to watch him in about 2010, and at that time his entry into the bends was a la Kenni Larsen and Will Lawson. Full on and sideways, making it easier to be in line ready for the next straight. Let's hope he remembers that, because if he does, we might have a real find on our hands. But not of course to the level of Lewis I add. Suit being made for Ashley I hear, but sadly Lewis's kevlars had to be cut off him to be examined, prior to being despatched to the hospital.

 

Welcome Ashley, I really hope you will surprise many.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Dave. Victor at reserve and good cover for the R/R rides was an absolute no brainer for me. Nothing against Ashley at all and hope he is a big success, but we would have been far stronger with Victor at reserve.

 

If we can't find a competitive number 7, Ashley is going to be under big pressure to score well. Not seen anything in his scores this season to suggest he'll get the points we'll need for this to be the better option of the 2 available. And that's no disrespect to him, I just think we'll be asking far too much of him.

[Tsunami]

The number 8 must not be listed another teams 1 - 7 and must not have a green sheet average above 3. Furthermore he can only be used in the place of the rider replacement rides.

 

Personally I think Newcastle have done the right thing in tracking a seven man team. Victor is averaging less than 5 away from home and he would be required to take 7 rides guaranteed. It would only take an injury to someone else and you are really struggling. Bearing in mind the promoters only had a 2/3 hours to get someone in place before the midnight deadline I think they've done ok. Besides should Lewis' injury not be as bad as first feared we can still, I believe, bring him back in.

I think you will find that George was on the phone whilst standing next to the Ambulance. Ashley is no stranger to Newcastle Speedway, and I bet George would had have somebody in mind for every position prior to Sundays meeting, just in case. Certainly recently released riders would have been known and top of the list. Given that Lewis has had an operation on his triple broken collarbone, and with shoulder damage, I would say his season is over and he needs to concentrate on a full recover to come back here next year.

 

I am still not convinced that his rapid stop on Sunday was in fact caused by a hole in the track. As the Speedway Updates updater said, if it had been a hole, there would haver been more movement of the bike and possibly Lewis fighting to visibly stay on. Instead the bike stopped instantly, and Lewis was over and shoulder first into the shale. Yes it was reported that both Robert and the unfortunate Bewley said there was a soft spot, but that's different from a hole. At least one mechanical, with me and HT, think it had to be mechanical issue, probably a Primary Chain.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Dave. Victor at reserve and good cover for the R/R rides was an absolute no brainer for me. Nothing against Ashley at all and hope he is a big success, but we would have been far stronger with Victor at reserve.

 

If we can't find a competitive number 7, Ashley is going to be under big pressure to score well. Not seen anything in his scores this season to suggest he'll get the points we'll need for this to be the better option of the 2 available. And that's no disrespect to him, I just think we'll be asking far too much of him.

It is for most people Neil as well, but you have to consider each meeting has to be approached as winnable in a playoff system. As others have also said, early injuries especially to VIktor, and a poor guest, ie, Bates for Stevie) would/could lose that meeting, and we could be out of the playoffs. With a 7 man team you are better prepared for injuries, as long as it is not Ashley.

 

I think you are about to be surprised at what Ashley can do.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Tsunami

[leander]

I didn't know it was a triple break. That's unfortunate for Lewis. i was working on the fact that a collarbone seems to take anything from 2 weeks to six month.

[Arson fire]

IRemember beating Lemo a few years ago around Brough.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Arson fire

[Tsunami]

Remember beat Lemo a few years ago around Brough.

Yes AOF,. He is that sort of rider. On his day he can beat almost anybody, but I still can't fathom out why he is not say a 6.5 rider. As I have said earlier, he has been on Newcastle's radar for a fairly long time and has come up with his stepdad, a former 90's Diamond Neil Paynter, for second halfs.

[leander]

I think Ash has been the victim of the dreaded numbers game on more than one occasion. I mean would you keep Holub instead of Morris or Perry through choice.

[ruffdiamond]

 

I think you are about to be surprised at what Ashley can do.

can he lick his own elbow ???

[acclennell]

Hit the nail on the head. More injuries, especially early in a meeting, would be suicidal and could cost us the meeting. In the Playoffs you have to be potentially looking to win any meeting. I am not disappointed with Morris, but let's not think he is anywhere near the form of Lewis has had recently. There is not a rider at his average at the moment capable of outscoring him IMO. Morris has had brilliant spells with other clubs and showed signs of being potentially a much higher average rider than 4.58. This is now his chance to show us that previous times, when he has been considered for the Diamonds, were justified. Think how many similar riders like Schraam, Tero, Mills, Simon, Pepe, and now Viktor were written off and dropped, only to come to Brough and restart there careers to become much better and higher averaged riders. Why Ashley hasn't kicked on in say the last 4 to 5 years I don't know. He has usually been the one dropped from teams, to get a higher averaged rider in to strengthen a team, so that is hardly failure. I used to watch him in about 2010, and at that time his entry into the bends was a la Kenni Larsen and Will Lawson. Full on and sideways, making it easier to be in line ready for the next straight. Let's hope he remembers that, because if he does, we might have a real find on our hands. But not of course to the level of Lewis I add. Suit being made for Ashley I hear, but sadly Lewis's kevlars had to be cut off him to be examined, prior to being despatched to the hospital.

 

Welcome Ashley, I really hope you will surprise many.

Would not have been my way to go but decision has been made and I can see why - still think it's the wrong one though. The more important thing which has not been done and expecially with AM being introduced and our reserve pairing weakened quite a bit; was to replace DP at the same time. Got to say I find it absolutely amazing that he has not been replaced months ago and for the few on here who have said who would replace him, I would say anyone as they surely could not do any worse.

Edited August 30, 2016 by acclennell

[TheScotsman]

The number 8 must not be listed another teams 1 - 7 and must not have a green sheet average above 3. Furthermore he can only be used in the place of the rider replacement rides.

 

 

 

Thanks for the info.

[bringbackHalifax]

There was no mechanical issue with Lewis Roses' crash. No chains snapping. He went into the corner very low and slow and his front wheel hit the edge of the hole and stopped and momentum took him over the high side.

 

Lewis went into theatre this afternoon at 3.30pm, so hopefully feeling better once the plate is in.

[screm]

Good signing IMO, the Newcastle management have a habit of getting the best out of their riders, I`m sure that will happen with Morris.

[Tsunami]

There was no mechanical issue with Lewis Roses' crash. No chains snapping. He went into the corner very low and slow and his front wheel hit the edge of the hole and stopped and momentum took him over the high side.

 

Lewis went into theatre this afternoon at 3.30pm, so hopefully feeling better once the plate is in.

Thanks for that. We were convinced he stopped more sudden like a seize up, and someone I think on here said there was a snapped chain, which of course could have snapped with the blow.

[Dandelion]

I don't understand why everyone is freaking out? I think Ashley is a great reserve and has been for a very long time, I really look forward to seeing him around Brough Park, plus if we get Workington for example in the play offs, or Peterborough, he has the track experience at both tracks which is a bonus He started off the meeting the other week for Peterborough with 2, 2, 3 in his opening three rides and I don't think that's a coincidence He's a good quality rider and I think it's great how the promotion have made a signing so fast after Lewis' unfortunate fall

 

I don't understand why people are debating why Lewis fell off, no one will know how it happened, just Lewis and his mechanic and a few other people in the pits, people from the crowd need to stop deciding what happened and saying things they're probably not 100% sure of. What is most important and unfortunate is that the incident has happened and poor Lewis has a serious injury and now need to spend the rest of this year (Or however long he needs to recover) recovering and then he can decide how his future lies then, I hope the operation goes well and that he stays strong and I'm sure from all of us at Newcastle Speedway, we wish him a very speedy recovery Good luck Lewis

Edited August 30, 2016 by Dandelion

[Tsunami]

Would not have been my way to go but decision has been made and I can see why - still think it's the wrong one though. The more important thing which has not been done and expecially with AM being introduced and our reserve pairing weakened quite a bit; was to replace DP at the same time. Got to say I find it absolutely amazing that he has not been replaced months ago and for the few on here who have said who would replace him, I would say anyone as they surely could not do any worse.

If things could have been as you suggest yes, but by whom. The poster called HalifaxTiger was standing with me on Sunday and he does many meetings every week, and takes a great interest in the youngsters he has seen in NL meetings. His opinion is that there is nobody out there that could do a job for us, and Ben Hopwood was probably a good gauge to believe that Statement. Jake Knight was mentioned, but when he guested a few weeks ago he was miles adrift of any of the riders. There is a huge gap between the usual reserves and the NL best, so I can't see a quick and snappy solution. Remember we can't all unearth Dan Bewleys. Even Edinburgh just took him initially to plug the hole spot reserved for Mitchel Davey until he got his UK passport. The fact it took so long allowed Bewley to flower and become the sensation we saw on Sunday. In speedway you sometimes hit lucky, but this year there is not a queue of good riders ready to take others reserve spots as has been proved by other teams. Really, it is as said by Rough diamond in a previous post "yesterdays milk is now cheese" so we need to move on with what we have got.

Edited August 30, 2016 by Tsunami