Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Neil you and your fellow promoters have turned a once great sport into a circus I have been a fan at Coventry for 56 years I'm sorry but you will not be getting my pension next season. It's got nothing to do with Jason it's the promoters that have made the fast track system a mockery That is rubbish the draft was to help the up and coming youngsters not the likes of Howarth/Barker etc both those ribers have been in the England squad Howarth rode for the under 21s last year! He is still young plenty of draft riders much older than him. Edited November 4, 2015 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So much negativity already. If Jason Garrity is in fact signed in the top 5 of the team, is anyone on here actually saying he is not good enough because I for one think he most certainly is! Congrats on completely missing the point. Nobody has mentioned Garrity as everyone knew he wasn't in the draft. People are more concerned that we, apparently, overlooked an experienced club asset and signed a vulnerable looking reserve pairing. Our pairing is in the original spirit of the draft, but that won't help us when we're anchored to 7th, just above Lakeside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Howarth rode for the under 21s last year! He is still young plenty of draft riders much older than him.how old is Howard not under 21 I'm sure the point is the principle of the draft in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) how old is Howard not under 21 I'm sure the point is the principle of the draft in the first placeHe is 21 but 22 when the season starts. He will be younger than Worrall, Auty, Starke, Blackbird, Mear, Wright, Kerr, Rose, Sarjeant and thats just of the top of my head. Edit to add Newman too. Edited November 4, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) how old is Howard not under 21 I'm sure the point is the principle of the draft in the first place howarth is 21, which makes him younger than the majoirty of last year's FTR He is 21 but 22 when the season starts. He will be younger than Worrall, Auty, Starke, Blackbird, Mear, Wright, Kerr, Rose, Sarjeant and thats just of the top of my head. add Newman to that list and maybe a second Worrall how old is Howard not under 21 I'm sure the point is the principle of the draft in the first place so you don't think young promising brits should be allowed in the draft? Edited November 4, 2015 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 howarth is 21, which makes him younger than the majoirty of last year's FTR add Newman to that list and maybe a second Worrall so you don't think young promising brits should be allowed in the draft? Yeah had to check Newman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 He is 21 but 22 when the season starts. He will be younger than Worrall, Auty, Starke, Blackbird, Mear, Wright, Kerr, Rose, Sarjeant and thats just of the top of my head.So why wasn't he in the draft when it began I know because they only got paid a small amount of polnts money I expect that's been changed as well .As I said in a previous post it's a circus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So why wasn't he in the draft when it began I know because they only got paid a small amount of polnts money I expect that's been changed as well .As I said in a previous post it's a circusCan't blame him if the money was poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So why wasn't he in the draft when it began I know because they only got paid a small amount of polnts money I expect that's been changed as well .As I said in a previous post it's a circus The fact he wasn't in the original draft is because he had average more than 3 in the EL the season before. in reality, the BSPA could have and probably should have included him in the draft then. I see no problem with allowing the current British Under 21 Champion into a draft to bring on young Brits! It would be mad to not help him but to pander to and include lesser riders who stand no chance what so ever of ever making it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So why wasn't he in the draft when it began I know because they only got paid a small amount of polnts money I expect that's been changed as well .As I said in a previous post it's a circus if they are changing the heat formula, then draft riders will score far fewer points, so increasing the points money makes perfect sense surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 The fact he wasn't in the original draft is because he had average more than 3 in the EL the season before. in reality, the BSPA could have and probably should have included him in the draft then. I see no problem with allowing the current British Under 21 Champion into a draft to bring on young Brits! It would be mad to not help him but to pander to and include lesser riders who stand no chance what so ever of ever making it!Nail on head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Kyle has a 2015 Elite League average So how will Wolverhampton's team building average be calculated then, having named Howarth and Clegg at reserve?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 i would imagine they have a touch under 32 points to build the top 5 with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So how will Wolverhampton's team building average be calculated then, having named Howarth and Clegg at reserve?? Howarth will still be a reserve even if Wolves signed a rider on an average less than Howarth, well until 4 meetings anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Howarth will still be a reserve even if Wolves signed a rider on an average less than Howarth, well until 4 meetings anyway. I understand that. My question was in relation to what averages would be used for team building purposes, as Neil Watson rightly commented that Kyle has a current EL average? Surely no club will be able to use a mixture of EL and PL averages for the 2 reserve positions? Otherwise why would Neil Watson bother to post about Howarth's EL average? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 I understand that. My question was in relation to what averages would be used for team building purposes, as Neil Watson rightly commented that Kyle has a current EL average? Surely no club will be able to use a mixture of EL and PL averages for the 2 reserve positions? Otherwise why would Neil Watson bother to post about Howarth's EL average? Howarth is the only one to have an established EL average from last season. All the others would need some conversion so they decided to do it from PL averages. Whether thats right from wrong is another debate. If you have an EL average from last season it must surely be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 .....kingbee.....Neil you and your fellow promoters have turned a once great sport into a circus I have been a fan at Coventry for 56 years I'm sorry but you will not be getting my pension next season. By your own admission you only attended two matches this season so as an ex-fan perhaps you'd list out your grievances? Plenty of promoters on here and who knows they may take notice. Personally I think we're pretty lucky at Coventry as Mick and Neil do change things when they can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So Poole have Newman (one of the best last year) and Ellis whilst we have Sarjeant and Bates who were near Ellis on the draft. Can see us having a lot of 5-1s against us. Expecting a huge top 5 to make up for such a lower end 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 We're not going to be riding against Poole every week though are we? So much negativity on here already and only 2 reserves signed so far. I've already resigned myself to the thought that Pirates will be champions again next season as it's a foregone conclusion really. Depressing but there it is ~ might as well just enjoy our last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 So Poole have Newman (one of the best last year) and Ellis whilst we have Sarjeant and Bates who were near Ellis on the draft. Can see us having a lot of 5-1s against us. Expecting a huge top 5 to make up for such a lower end Not sure id want Ellis on a 4.89 average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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