Coventry 2016

[waiheke1]

 

It would appear that teams do need 4/5 point riders. Not counting reserves there were 14 riders with averages of less than 6 points in EL team starting line ups this year. 7 of those riders had averages below 5.

 

Fans staying away from Coventry will not achieve anything to help the club survive but it could play into the hands of the present stadium owners.

 

What fans need to do is show the the local councils and media that there is significant support for the club to continue either in a new stadium or the existing stadium if planning permission for housing is refused.

i make it 6 riders in inital 1-5s with an average under 5.

R Worrall - actually a decent option, and Aces built close to the points limit.

Woryna - assessed on a 4, a terrible signing considering Bees had enough points to bring in a 7+ rider

Swiderski - decent signing on a 3.87, will average well above 5 as a 2nd string, and lakside only had around 4.5 pts to play with

Klindt - terrible signing considering Leicester had 7.5 points to play with for this spot

Tungate - should improve on his 4.5, Swindon ended 2 points below the limit

sedgeman - see tungate

 

So really, i would say only Aces and Lakeside had a "need" to sign a sub 5 point rider,( and you could argue at Swindon it made sense to sign one of Tungate/Sedgeman).

I would add also that all those riders should average above 5 as second strings, and I would consider all better than MPT (who I would consider a genuine 4-5 point 2nd string).

Neither Poole nor Wolves, the early season form teams, have a sub 5 point rider in their starting line up.

 

Or put it another way - if you can sign Bjerre on a 1 pt higher average than MPT, who is going to give you the better points return vs starting average?

[SCB]

 

It would appear that teams do need 4/5 point riders. Not counting reserves there were 14 riders with averages of less than 6 points in EL team starting line ups this year. 7 of those riders had averages below 5.

 

Fans staying away from Coventry will not achieve anything to help the club survive but it could play into the hands of the present stadium owners.

 

What fans need to do is show the the local councils and media that there is significant support for the club to continue either in a new stadium or the existing stadium if planning permission for housing is refused.

That some serious twisting, "teams need 4-5 point riders" "there were 14 riders under 6" yes but how many under 5 as you stated? Off the top of my head the only riders to average less than 5 and rode 10 or more meeting (so basically didn't get sacked for it) in the last 2 season are Piotr Swiderski, Ty Proctor, Musliak and Robbo - possible Porsing. Even Hansen and Palm Toft got 5+

Edited May 6, 2016 by SCB

[Daniel Smith]

From the Official Coventry Bees Website

 

Change On The Cards - http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.1943

 

This Monday see's an entertainment extravaganza for the Coventry Buildbase Bees as the good news just keeps coming and coming, arriving like buses one after each other.

 

Firstly Popular Ex Bee Martin Smolinski makes a surprise return to Brandon to strengthen the Bees in a final push in this our swan song season. Bees Promoter Mick Horton said "Smoli had been in our plans for this season from the offset and now seems the right time to make changes, the fans are demanding it and we are listening and making the necessary alterations".

 

Monday see's the introduction of our new Co Team Manager in the shape of ex Bees No.1 Tommy Knudsen. Tommy has heard about the Bees start to the season and knowing its our final year here he is joining the management team immediately. To have a bit of Danish flair back at our prestigious club after so many of our Nordic brothers have donned the fighting Bee over the years seems a fitting finale.

 

Another popular returnee is Centre Green Presenter Chris Simpson who arrives hand in hand with brother Richard with all the jingles, fanfares etc which used to make the hive such a buzzing place to be. Again, fans have been asking for this for over 12 months and we're in the entertainment business so entertain we shall.

 

You want more? After all remaining meetings in 2016 all of our riders will be in the understand bar for a meet and greet, photo opportunities and a disco till midnight.

 

And the cherry on top......... as this is our first home Sky Meeting of the season, the gates are open to all, free of charge. Many fans have been lost along the way but in this the final season at Coventry Stadium it's time to give a little something back and we'd love to show the world how important speedway is to the people of Coventry and how important Coventry is to the world of speedway.

 

This may be our final season at Brandon and mistakes may have been made along the way, but it's time to unite, re-ignite those old memories, dig out your old yellow and black scarves, air horns and whistles and turn this season around to make more fantastic memories our future can build upon.

 

And then I woke up and it had all been a magical dream...............

 

That's a coincidence

Anyway, congrats in getting your job back Bart.

 

Be nice seeing Knudsen's face around the place for the fans too. Probably has a better idea on how to work a team over Havelock too.

[Dornier]

The majority of fans want to see a winning team especially at home. Its a lot of money to spend to go away afterwards feeling fully deflated the more defeats there are the less fans will turn up only the stalwarts will continue to follow. We`ll have to hope that when Woryna comes back the team start to pull things round...

[TheSmiler]

Oh my goodness. Is that a late April fools hahah. I'm eating my words here wow. Well done to the management for proving us all wrong.

 

 

 

Scrap that I just read the end post. Why do this to me? HAHA

Edited May 6, 2016 by The Smiler

[dj350z]

From the Official Coventry Bees Website

 

Change On The Cards - http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.1943

 

This Monday sees an entertainment extravaganza for the Coventry Buildbase Bees as the good news just keeps coming and coming, arriving like buses one after each other.

 

Firstly Popular Ex Bee Martin Smolinski makes a surprise return to Brandon to strengthen the Bees in a final push in this our swan song season. Bees Promoter Mick Horton said "Smoli had been in our plans for this season from the offset and now seems the right time to make changes, the fans are demanding it and we are listening and making the necessary alterations".

 

Monday see's the introduction of our new Co Team Manager in the shape of ex Bees No.1 Tommy Knudsen. Tommy has heard about the Bees start to the season and knowing its our final year here he is joining the management team immediately. To have a bit of Danish flair back at our prestigious club after so many of our Nordic brothers have donned the fighting Bee over the years seems a fitting finale.

 

Another popular returnee is Centre Green Presenter Chris Simpson who arrives hand in hand with brother Richard with all the jingles, fanfares etc which used to make the hive such a buzzing place to be. Again, fans have been asking for this for over 12 months and we're in the entertainment business so entertain we shall.

 

You want more? After all remaining meetings in 2016 all of our riders will be in the understand bar for a meet and greet, photo opportunities and a disco till midnight.

 

And the cherry on top......... as this is our first home Sky Meeting of the season, the gates are open to all, free of charge. Many fans have been lost along the way but in this the final season at Coventry Stadium it's time to give a little something back and we'd love to show the world how important speedway is to the people of Coventry and how important Coventry is to the world of speedway.

 

This may be our final season at Brandon and mistakes may have been made along the way, but it's time to unite, re-ignite those old memories, dig out your old yellow and black scarves, air horns and whistles and turn this season around to make more fantastic memories our future can build upon.

 

And then I woke up and it had all been a magical dream...............

 

The news just gets better and better:

 

From the Official Bees Website

 

Emil is on his way - http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.1508

 

Bees supremo Mick Horton has managed to get special dispensation from the BSPA to use Emil Sayfutdinov as No 8 for the rest of the season.

 

Poole boss Matt Ford says "This is great news for the sport"

[CB252]

Was that a tumbleweed that just blew past?

[stevebrum]

To be fair many in the Speedway Star had Bees in the top 4.

I never got what others saw in what was obviously a poor team on paper.

In saying that most had Wolves down as also rans.

[Steve Shovlar]

The problem with Coventry is that their fanshave far too high expectations. The club has no money and even if it did, whats the point because the fans have given up and would rather moan on here than go along and support their team in their last season.

 

If Poole announced today that the council have sold the stadium to Barratt Homes and this was our last season, there would be major uproar from Poole fans and sponsors. But Coventry fans just seem to have meekly given up, a bit like their team this season judging by the posts on here.

[mdmc82]

The problem with Coventry is that their fanshave far too high expectations. The club has no money and even if it did, whats the point because the fans have given up and would rather moan on here than go along and support their team in their last season.

 

If Poole announced today that the council have sold the stadium to Barratt Homes and this was our last season, there would be major uproar from Poole fans and sponsors. But Coventry fans just seem to have meekly given up, a bit like their team this season judging by the posts on here.

And yet even with no money, we still managed to make play offs 2 years running under the same owner. We were top for most of last season and then unfortunately suffered injuries at the time of the play offs.

[Woz01]

The problem with Coventry is that their fanshave far too high expectations. The club has no money and even if it did, whats the point because the fans have given up and would rather moan on here than go along and support their team in their last season.

If Poole announced today that the council have sold the stadium to Barratt Homes and this was our last season, there would be major uproar from Poole fans and sponsors. But Coventry fans just seem to have meekly given up, a bit like their team this season judging by the posts on here.

I know your just fishing but the Save Cov Speedway campaign hasn't given up, far from it.

[From PC to KC.]

I have been a lifelong fan of the sport, but i just can't muster the enthusiasm anymore to attend. I went to countless World finals home and abroad and loved it, i still watch the gp on tv, but it hasn't got that edge of the seat raw nervous energy of the old finals. Yes i understand it finds the most consistent champion, deserving etc, but the romance has gone. You watch a gp and oh well there is another one in 2 weeks if its pants. It has also ruined the british speedway scene, it has come full circle from the 70,s when journeymen poles and czechs qualified for world finals not because they were good enough, but because they were segregated from the rest of the western riders. Now the brits are the journeymen not good enough to qualify, our league is on its death bed where the best riders of the day can't be bothered to turn up regularly. The standard is dire with juniors who are patently not good enough making up the numbers in the top tier, just so we can muster 8 teams in a league, even the riders masquerading as number ones are bang average. In the old days the best riders would willingly ride here wherever it suited them, forming club loyalty, and continuity, now it seems the best choose where to ride based on the most suitable race night. If more teams rode on a wednesday maybe more riders would be inclined not to race for Poole but for other clubs, who could have a fairer chance,

How do we turn this around, maybe something akin to the NFL, we need to even up the competition so more teams can compete fairly with a reasonable chance of success, split the league into regional conferences with home and away fixtures against local teams, and then fixtures against varied other teams in different seasons to complete your matches. Then we operate an end of season playoffs system, for teams that qualify, maybe coming down to a one off superbowl type final for 2 or maybe 4 teams at a neutral track, On finals day it would be one rider per team per race as in the SWC format as how much true team riding do we get nowadays anyway.If the top riders were still interested they would be limited to one per team and race against those of a similar standard only, on finals day. You would have to have probably 3 reserve only races, to keep them involved as well. During the regular season race format could be as now, just more even hopefully.

[Aces51]

That some serious twisting, "teams need 4-5 point riders" "there were 14 riders under 6" yes but how many under 5 as you stated? Off the top of my head the only riders to average less than 5 and rode 10 or more meeting (so basically didn't get sacked for it) in the last 2 season are Piotr Swiderski, Ty Proctor, Musliak and Robbo - possible Porsing. Even Hansen and Palm Toft got 5+

Not at all. If you read my original post and quote it accurately I said 4/5 point riders, not 4-5.In other words riders averaging 4 or 5. Hence my reference to riders averaging between 4 and 6. However you try to twist it, the facts are that virtually every team signed a 4 point rider this year. R Worrall, Woryna, Jakobsen/Huckenbeck,Tungate, Sedgmen, Swiderski, Klindt, effectively 7. How long they last is immaterial for the point I was making, which was that most teams need, because they sign, 4/5 point riders.

 

I also said in that same post#3141, that I wasn't suggesting that Palm-Toft is the answer to Coventry's problems, simply mentioning him as a 100% trier because of the references to him in the preceding posts.

Edited May 7, 2016 by Aces51

[waiheke1]

A rider averaging 5.5 is not a 4/5 point rider, he's a 5/6 point rider.

90% of the league averaged between 5-7 last season.

The fact is no one "needs" riders like mpt in this format, when you could get much better riders on materially the same average.

[orion]

 

If Poole announced today that the council have sold the stadium to Barratt Homes and this was our last season, there would be major uproar from Poole fans and sponsors. But Coventry fans just seem to have meekly given up, a bit like their team this season judging by the posts on here.

I doubt it ...most would be trying to buy one of the houses if the price was right

[Aces51]

A rider averaging 5.5 is not a 4/5 point rider, he's a 5/6 point rider.

90% of the league averaged between 5-7 last season.

The fact is no one "needs" riders like mpt in this format, when you could get much better riders on materially the same average.

My intention and understanding is that 4/5 refers to 4 or 5, ie. any rider averaging between 4 and 6. If I had intended to exclude those averaging between 5 and 6 I would have said 4 to 5 or 4-5.

 

Regardless of that your argument is plainly lost because as I have shown, this year, under this format, 7 riders have been signed with an average of less than 5 to ride in the main body of the teams. That is a fact and proves there is a need. To argue otherwise is to claim they were signed despite not being needed.

 

As for MPT, Belle Vue needed him under this format and he improved his average and was one of the most popular riders we have had in recent years.

 

The only way teams will not need 4/5 point riders with the present points limit is to sign five 6 to 7 point riders. Obviously, nearly every team has chosen not to do that and to try to sign as many decent heat leaders as are available, leaving 4/5 point vacancies for the second strings. Which is why they are needed.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Aces51

[waiheke1]

OK but there is also a difference between signing a rider on an average, and that rider being expected to score to that average.

R Worrell was just over 4, but he is a 6-7 point second string. To me that means he is not a 4/5 pt rider.

[Aces51]

I hope you're right about Richie. The likelihood is he will soon swap with Steve which will give him a false average but he has started the season well for Glasgow.

 

I'm sure every team hopes their 4/5 riders are really 6/7 point second strings but that is part of Coventry's problem. Not many thought and now think that Woryna is going to do that well and Garrity is going to struggle to do the same.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Aces51

[LisaColette]

I do believe Coventry will not make any changes they just don't have the ambition there imo

Ironic really isn't it?!

[Bees_Man]

Really am shocked we're going into this meeting with no new signing. That really does show either a lack of ambition or simply a promotion team unable to fund a new rider. How the mighty have fallen.