Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Looking at new averages, it might be a while before Newman is in the main team. More chance of Ellis. I thought Kyle would be one of the first to move up in this protected format but it's been Auty, Starke, Kerr and Wright who have been adding to their averages. I was to believe only one can go into the team proper. Even if it was Kyle to go into the team proper he would be replaced by somebody equally as good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) ridiculous rules.... a reserve goes into the main body based on an average gained by riding against fellow reserves - meaning effectively a false average some reserves will probably be getting 8/9 point averages, then to go into the main body and a rider averaging around the 5 point mark would then go down to reserve, he would then be againt reserves meaning his average then goes up to the 8/9 mark and the reserve that went up into the main body his average will then drop probably back down to 4/5 meaning he will then go back to reserve.... why not just of kept the draft as it was... a team could time it right and get a heat leader at reserve just in time for the play offs... right or wrong? Edited April 21, 2016 by heathen chemistry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 If we don't replace Woryna then Bates will likely be in the top 5 after Friday Can't see how. Woryna still assessed 4 and Bates 3.26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 With the reserves I thought it would be one reserve and one fast track after two years of being cushioned with the easier heats and back to the original heat format, equally I originally thought that after implementing the heat leader list to spread out riders with advantageous low averages we would then go back to the original race format so it wouldn't happen again. But no ,we plod on with more rules that most fans struggle to understand ,me included ,to strangle the sport into confusion and much head scratching. Keep it simple but no ,with speedway it's keep it stupid simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I've always been a fan of king's but sadly I'm starting to agree. He's been shocking this season and yet the frustrating thing is he's capable of riding much better. Has he changed engines this year? I did think maybe once he's not a heatleader he might do better but he's even beaten by reserves. Wonder if KK was injured or his equipment damaged after his crash. Very fast time in heat 1. Sarjeant is a huge worry. At least Bates has had some good away meetings and scores okay at home. Fastest time since 2012 apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 A fully transparent AGM would go along way to exposing any 'clubbing' together as so to speak if it does go on... It would let us fans know how these rules are made up , the promoter/ or promoters that invent these rules , then the promoters that vote them in,and how they voted.. i really carnt see why they carnt have a fully transparent AGM ,,Unless of course they have got something to hide ? It might build a bit of trust between fans and promoters.. Give me some examples of other member associations -sporting or otherwise - that give that sort of detail in a public document!! Usually when a vote is taken at an AGM it is minuted as per the number of fors and againsts - not the names of who voted for what. The AGM minutes go to the members of that association ie the promoters, together with a summary of relevant points which the SS usually do a good job in making public. Even if every decision was made 'transparant' (and I'm not necessarily against that!) - what benefit would it create other than provide extra fodder for those that gorge themselves on it on this forum and social media platforms?! amongst others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Don't see how with Bates barely scoring? Ah well, averages don't make any sense anymore. I mean, Charles Wright at Heat Leader for Swindon? It's a total fiasco. Bates and Woryna both averaging 4, 6 points from his 5 rides Friday will put him top 5 but I expect a signing by the next meeting anyway so Bates will stay at reserve. Can't see how. Woryna still assessed 4 and Bates 3.26 That's Bates assessed average. After yesterday he completed 2 home 2 away and his average is 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) Give me some examples of other member associations -sporting or otherwise - that give that sort of detail in a public document!! Usually when a vote is taken at an AGM it is minuted as per the number of fors and againsts - not the names of who voted for what. The AGM minutes go to the members of that association ie the promoters, together with a summary of relevant points which the SS usually do a good job in making public. Even if every decision was made 'transparant' (and I'm not necessarily against that!) - what benefit would it create other than provide extra fodder for those that gorge themselves on it on this forum and social media platforms?! amongst others why wait for other sports to be transparent , speedway should take a lead, look at other sports ,particularly those that have suffered with corruption recently, the athletics organisation is calling for more transparency, fifa after all the corruption it has gone through and still ongoing has promised to be more transparent and open ...why shouldnt speedway be transparent? we should know where the rules come from,which promoter dreampt them up and why.. why shouldnt each fan know how there promoter voted in the agm? whats to hide? maybe the promoters who want it kept hush hush could have something to hide perhaps back handed deals amongst fellow promoters, but if that is going on then its us the fans that are being cheated! so transparency has to happen , if nothing is fiddled and everything is above board whats to hide? Edited April 21, 2016 by heathen chemistry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 King to go, 2 points tonight isn't acceptable. The thing is, his average is now 5.7 He will make a mockery of that as a second string. As we can fit in a 7 point man for Woryna and form next week that can be a man off the heat leader list too, thats the root I'd go down. Is it Kings equipment......has to be? Nope, King is just NOT a heat leader in this format. Was dreadful for Birmingham as one and did a poor job last season as one. Regarding Bates going into the 1-5, his average is exactly 4, as is Woryna. But as on the last set of GSA Woryna was higher he stays higher for riding order purposes. So Bates stays in reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 The thing is, his average is now 5.7 He will make a mockery of that as a second string. As we can fit in a 7 point man for Woryna and form next week that can be a man off the heat leader list too, thats the root I'd go down. Nope, King is just NOT a heat leader in this format. Was dreadful for Birmingham as one and did a poor job last season as one. Regarding Bates going into the 1-5, his average is exactly 4, as is Woryna. But as on the last set of GSA Woryna was higher he stays higher for riding order purposes. So Bates stays in reserve. If Bates' average goes up in 2 weeks and Woryna's replacement isn't signed yet, who could actually guest for him? He'd be the lowest averaged rider in the league and presumably an EDR can't replace him so, PL rider under 6.00?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 at times king has looked a top top rider, sometimes very fast round brandon, he seems very inconsistent something missing somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 If Bates' average goes up in 2 weeks and Woryna's replacement isn't signed yet, who could actually guest for him? He'd be the lowest averaged rider in the league and presumably an EDR can't replace him so, PL rider under 6.00?? PL rider up to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 That's Bates assessed average. After yesterday he completed 2 home 2 away and his average is 4. So Bates average is not above Woryna then. No way should there be an option to promote an EDR above an established main team member on the same average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 So Bates average is not above Woryna then. No way should there be an option to promote an EDR above an established main team member on the same average. Yes but after Fridays meeting it could be higher unless Bates has a poor one. Probably doesn't matter as a replacement for Woryna is expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Yes but after Fridays meeting it could be higher unless Bates has a poor one. Probably doesn't matter as a replacement for Woryna is expected Time will tell I guess then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 The thing is, his average is now 5.7 He will make a mockery of that as a second string. As we can fit in a 7 point man for Woryna and form next week that can be a man off the heat leader list too, thats the root I'd go down. I agree, the post was in annoyance at his scores. Said elsewhere give him the chance to perform at 4, hopefully then we will have a very good top 5 come May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Shocking news that former bee Kenni Larsen has been shot in the head and placed in a coma. Devastated and praying he pulls through 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Shocking news that former bee Kenni Larsen has been shot in the head and placed in a coma. Devastated and praying he pulls through 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼What??!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 how.? who by? what for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 how.? who by? what for? His mechanic but it seems it may have been a total accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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