G the Bee Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) What rules are you referring to? The club clarified more than once that the rule is that you must produce an NUS card. The statement is short, simple and absolute. What scam? Those producing an NUS card are legally entitled to one. Unless of course the NUS have illegally issued one or the card produced is a forged card, neither of which I believe we're debating here. You also seem talk about speedway in general which is unfair on other clubs that have not taken this stance. Incidentally, also a stance never before taken by Coventry Speedway (that I'm aware of - apologies in advance if this statement is inaccurate) which has accepted an NUS card to qualify for a discounted admission cost in the past. You quoted the 'rule'. It appeared that the club (mistakenly) assumed that the NUS card was proof of full-time education. It isn't. So 'the rule' appears to be in the process of being changed. And in terms of the 'scam', ignore the 'fake/forged v. genuine' argument, because NUS cards are easy to get hold of by legitimate means. To put it in black and white, I believe the 'scam' is people getting hold of NUS cards, which are relatively easy to obtain, with the purpose of using them to take advantage of discounts they would not have otherwise been able to claim. As far as I'm concerned, that's a scam. Also, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who is not in full time education, but is claiming student discounts by using an NUS card they have obtained by other means (albeit legitimate means) is claiming a discount that, in reality, was not intended for them. But, as long as the institution says they accept the cards, they can do it. It's a loophole that people have used for ages. Coventry have now closed the loophole, temporarily it seems, whilst alternatives are explored. Fair play to them. If other promotions or institutions choose not to do this, that's up to them. Here's a case in point. My wife was offered an NUS card for doing a small after-school course on basic numeracy through our son's primary school which was overseen by the local adult education college. She earns over 20K a year (as a second income to our household). Is she really who the Coventry promotion were aiming the discount at? Of course not. Back in November, when questioned on the student discount, and how a lot of people could fit that criteria, Neil Watson stated on this very thread 'Full-time education confirmed by the institution. Night-school or flower-arranging classes don't count!' What it looks like they failed to realise is that by attending night school or flower arranging classes, in many cases an NUS card could be obtained. I suspect their mistake, as SCB pointed out earlier, was that they appeared to believe that possession of an NUS card was proof of 'full time' education. It's not. Or perhaps they just saw the good in people and assumed that people wouldn't take advantage of the promotion's intention to offer a discount to genuine full-time students who could not afford the full price. We could go around in circles with this debate about the rights and wrongs of the situation. It seems to me that the loophole in the system was abused (they have said so themselves) and as a result they have removed the NUS card discount until they can devise a more appropriate method to offer a discount to those for whom it was originally intended. In the meantime, genuine full-time students for whom the discount was intended are going to suffer. For that, they can blame those who took advantage of the promotions best intentions and exploited a loophole for their own personal gain. Edited April 5, 2016 by G the Bee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Just re-instate the OAP concessions and all will be well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) You quoted the 'rule'. It appeared that the club (mistakenly) assumed that the NUS card was proof of full-time education. It isn't. So 'the rule' appears to be in the process of being changed. And in terms of the 'scam', ignore the 'fake/forged v. genuine' argument, because NUS cards are easy to get hold of by legitimate means. To put it in black and white, I believe the 'scam' is people getting hold of NUS cards, which are relatively easy to obtain, with the purpose of using them to take advantage of discounts they would not have otherwise been able to claim. As far as I'm concerned, that's a scam. Also, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who is not in full time education, but is claiming student discounts by using an NUS card they have obtained by other means (albeit legitimate means) is claiming a discount that, in reality, was not intended for them. But, as long as the institution says they accept the cards, they can do it. It's a loophole that people have used for ages. Coventry have now closed the loophole, temporarily it seems, whilst alternatives are explored. Fair play to them. If other promotions or institutions choose not to do this, that's up to them. Here's a case in point. My wife was offered an NUS card for doing a small after-school course on basic numeracy through our son's primary school which was overseen by the local adult education college. She earns over 20K a year (as a second income to our household). Is she really who the Coventry promotion were aiming the discount at? Of course not. Back in November, when questioned on the student discount, and how a lot of people could fit that criteria, Neil Watson stated on this very thread 'Full-time education confirmed by the institution. Night-school or flower-arranging classes don't count!' What it looks like they failed to realise is that by attending night school or flower arranging classes, in many cases an NUS card could be obtained. I suspect their mistake, as SCB pointed out earlier, was that they appeared to believe that possession of an NUS card was proof of 'full time' education. It's not. Or perhaps they just saw the good in people and assumed that people wouldn't take advantage of their intentions to offer a discount to genuine full-time students who could not afford the full price. We could go around in circles with this debate about the rights and wrongs of the situation. It seems to me that the loophole in the system was abused (they have said so themselves) and as a result they have removed the NUS card discount until they can devise a more appropriate method to offer a discount to those for whom it was originally intended. In the meantime, genuine full-time students for whom the discount was intended are going to suffer. For that, they can blame those who took advantage of the promotions best intentions and exploited a loophole for their own personal gain. Luckily they have week to find a solution before our next meeting. Whatever is said its a very good price to keep fans attending once they start or are in higher education. The drop off between the ages 16-18 attending meetings must be huge. Edited April 5, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) How the hell do you change the rules to only allow those who are in full time education with no other income in though?b They have to rely on people's honesty and integrity ..... You conveniently didn't quote the part of my post where I answered this. If you're in full-time education at a college or university and are issued with an NUS card, it will have the name of the college or university on it. Therefore people who receive one for an online course etc can be disregarded. Edited April 5, 2016 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 a few ideas fir the coventry management.... OAP'S - no more concessions , why not give them something back, a free programme , half price programme , a free drink ..... something to attract back the floaters students ....if some have been abusing the system well get stricter staff and dont allow entry to those trying to fiddle the system , why do genuine students have to suffer because of a minority few! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 students ....if some have been abusing the system well get stricter staff and dont allow entry to those trying to fiddle the system , why do genuine students have to suffer because of a minority few! People have NOT be abusing the system.The system is rubbish. It's offensive to suggest people have been abusing a system when they're using it properly, ie they're showing valud NUS cards as requested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) I'm so disappointed, students not only bring the average age of the crowd down but they also bring the average IQ up. Speedway is often classed as a sport fot simple dullards but It can be the sport for articulate young men/women. Let's change the perception and image of speedway! Reverse your decision Mick! Edited April 5, 2016 by Morrissey Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 They've had the right idea but implemented it wrong. Hopefully they will use the next few days to come to a right solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Cheetah Snr Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 People have NOT be abusing the system.The system is rubbish. It's offensive to suggest people have been abusing a system when they're using it properly, ie they're showing valud NUS cards as requested. But the concession was for students. NOT for people with an NUS card. That was only asked for (wrongly) to prove that you are a full time student. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 They've had the right idea but implemented it wrong. Hopefully they will use the next few days to come to a right solution. Either way I predict a poor crowd on Monday if it's on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Either way I predict a poor crowd on Monday if it's on. Probably would've been anyway to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Have they rescinded the student cost? When I went I showed them my student card from the university, not an NUS card. University cards have expiration dates (at the end of the course) and can't be purchased online (unlike NUS cards).. Surely that'd be a way of making sure students get the student rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Have they rescinded the student cost? When I went I showed them my student card from the university, not an NUS card. University cards have expiration dates (at the end of the course) and can't be purchased online (unlike NUS cards).. Surely that'd be a way of making sure students get the student rate? Yes for now. That sounds like the option they should take if the decide to carry on with the student rate Edited April 5, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Yes for now. That sounds like the option they should take if the decide to carry on with the student rate That's disappointing. One of the reasons I frequented Cov last season on occasion was due to the price difference between a student ticket at Brandon and a full price ticket at Beaumont Park. Now they have a student price at Leicester and not at Cov! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 That's disappointing. One of the reasons I frequented Cov last season on occasion was due to the price difference between a student ticket at Brandon and a full price ticket at Beaumont Park. Now they have a student price at Leicester and not at Cov! I believe at this moment its temporary, hopefully it won't be long! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I believe at this moment its temporary, hopefully it won't be long! Cheers. I hope so too, always enjoy my visits to Brandon (even though I'm usually wanting an away win!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 A TV show at 9pm on ITV called Drive, Brandon is featured in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 if takings were on the up wonder if the management would be so concerned about a few gettiing in for a fiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Morrissey Fan, on 05 Apr 2016 - 4:27 PM, said: I'm so disappointed, students not only bring the average age of the crowd down but they also bring the average IQ up. Speedway is often classed as a sport fot simple dullards but It can be the sport for articulate young men/women. Let's change the perception and image of speedway! Reverse your decision Mick! You right " Speedway is often classed as a sport fot simple dullards " ..... is FOT a students word then ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Shame on you Horton and Watson - my earlier 'tweet' gave you credit for a saving of 5 quid for student to come along to Brandon as I thought would be generous. Where the hell did a 12 quid reduction come from ! No wonder people are trying to abuse. And to think you gave up a concession to the loyal older ladies and gentlemen - you are disgrace you money grabbing b'stards. You need to appreciate they have kept you surviving for many a year ! Time you sucked up big time and over compensate for your actions. Come on Mick, don't be an a'hole like your brother Colin (or are you the same person ?). Us folk in Coventry have some integrity, perhaps you guys from the East of England are a different breed - time to show what you really made of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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