stevebrum Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Let's hope we don't go on a roll like 2010 or Shovlar will be booking another trip to Rome and going into hibernation again.... I'd be happy for the Bees to win for that to happen AGAIN Still waiting for that 2010 final leg match report. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I'd be happy for the Bees to win for that to happen AGAIN Still waiting for that 2010 final leg match report. Think you'll be waiting a long time for that to happen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) But who do you replace them with? It's not a easy as before where you have x amount of points, you can only have 2 riders over a certain average can't you? So we couldn't use the points to bring a top rider in. We won't be able to put a heat leader in at number 4 either to use the points that way. We can only replace Sarjeant with another draft rider and there is no one better out there. Not having Garrity starting at reserve has snookered us really. I really don't see what moves we can make to make us compete with the top teams, we've stitched ourselves right up! For example we could possibly replace Woryna with Larsen after May 1st which would then put King as a 2nd sting. That would make a huge difference in scoring power for the top 5. There are so many options available if we can riders here. I think it was fairly obvious a change was being made when the heat leader list is abolished, its the only thing that makes sense building the team they did. I agree with muffinman. It's okay Horton blaming it on the riders underperforming but a lot of them are riding to their average or how you would have expected them to. It's the fact he built a team so far under the point limit & signed 2 reserve riders who are lower down their tiers. When you look at the meetings so far & averages: KASPAZAK (7.91) scores so far 12,10,4 Last night he had bike problems but when on the right equipment he is capable of beating most riders. I have been impressed with him so far in 1st two meetings. GARRITY (5.08) scores so far 3,3,2,5,7 He could have been scoring big at reserve but he can't be added to list now. He's had a lot of problems with his bikes but recorded a better score last night. I think he will be very up and down in main team. Unpredictable at moment. KING (6.48) scores so far 6,2,12,5,5 The problem is he should never have been on the heatleader list to start with. He spent most of last year as a 2nd string. When on form he can be brilliant to watch at home but so up and down. I think he would be fine as our 2nd string if another heatleader is brought in May. He's going to struggle as a heatleader esp away. He got his 6pt average as a 2nd string for most part. WORYNA (4.00) scores so far 7,5,4,3,5 Kacper has ridden a lot better than I thought he would and has scored his average or above in most meetings. He has potential. The problem is Horton has signed a 4pt rider as a 2nd string when some of the reserves have higher averages. He should have been signed as our 8th rider to get experience if others were missing. HARRIS (7.34) score so far 13,9,13,7,10 The scores say it all. I've no concerns about Harris. He's allowed an off meeting now and then but for most part is scoring way above his average. BATES (3.26) scores so far 3,7,4,7 Bates is giving 100% for bees but I don't think he is strong enough as a 1st reserve & was surprised he was on the list. He has extra pressure on him due to Sarjeant struggling. He's proven he can beat some of the top reserves but a worry away from Brandon. SARJEANT (3.00) scores so far 2,4,4 James is one of my biggest concerns. He looks off pace and low on confidence for most of the meeting and is being beaten by 2nd reserves that he has the ability to beat. Then he comes out in heat 12 and beats Newman, Auty, Ellis & Starke. He's baffling. Frustrating as he has shown in the past he's a good rider but seems to be going backwards. So out of the team Horton put together it's only Sarjeant and to a point King who I think are underperforming based on ability. The biggest let down was Horton when putting the team together and being so far under the point limit. Garrity has underperformed but I suspect after a decent score yesterday he will improve. KK attended a funeral yesterday morning and had a mad dash to get back to Britain. Might explain his bike problems yesterday. Edited April 2, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Taken from Twitter: Kaspazak went to the funeral of a close family member in the morning, flew in in the afternoon & mad dash to Brandon. No one would have complained if he didn't ride in the circumstances but he made the effort & was unlucky on the night. He has shown more commitment so far this season than in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) For example we could possibly replace Woryna with Larsen after May 1st which would then put King as a 2nd sting. That would make a huge difference in scoring power for the top 5. There are so many options available if we can riders here. I think it was fairly obvious a change was being made when the heat leader list is abolished, its the only thing that makes sense building the team they did. Garrity has underperformed but I suspect after a decent score yesterday he will improve. KK attended a funeral yesterday morning and had a mad dash to get back to Britain. Might explain his bike problems yesterday. I think they should keep Woyna and get rid of King and Sargent if possible bring in Kenny and ? Edited April 2, 2016 by kingbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Taken from Twitter: Kaspazak went to the funeral of a close family member in the morning, flew in in the afternoon & mad dash to Brandon. No one would have complained if he didn't ride in the circumstances but he made the effort & was unlucky on the night. He has shown more commitment so far this season than in the past. So far so good. It's early days to believe KK is reliable and committed tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) I think they should keep Woyna and get rid of King and Sargent if possible bring in Kenny and ? Just can't replace Sarj, no one available who is better and he will improve. Granted his start has been poor but his two heat wins v the top 2 pairings shows he can do it just needs it to be more consistent. As for King if we are going to wait till May 1st we'd be mad to let him go, he would be very good in that number 4 role, better than Woryna. Edited April 2, 2016 by woz01 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Just can't replace Sarj, no one available who is better and he will improve. Granted his start has been poor but his two heat wins v the top 2 pairings shows he can do it just needs it to be more consistent. As for King if we are going to wait till May 1st we'd be mad to let him go, he would be very good in that number 4 role, better than Woryna. Agree with that, the key thing is who mick signs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 At least we won't get beat on Monday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Seems a bit premature to call it off so early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 because sky have cancelled their broadcast doesnt mean the meeting is off,does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 At least we can all book holidays for the end of August / early September as we'll be no where near the playoffs. Not making Garrity do 4 meetings at reserve has finished us. Then add in useless team building logic we have what we have. Why does Horton not involve speedway people like Rogers and Havvy when putting together teams, as clearly he is crap at it!! You assume Rogers and Havvy have a clue. Laurence Rogers team managed Mildenhall to a whole season at PL level without a single win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanr1 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 For example we could possibly replace Woryna with Larsen after May 1st which would then put King as a 2nd sting. That would make a huge difference in scoring power for the top 5. There are so many options available if we can riders here. I think it was fairly obvious a change was being made when the heat leader list is abolished, its the only thing that makes sense building the team they did. That would be a good change if we can do it, I must admit I'm not fully clued up on this years rules. Wouldn't we then have 4 riders off the heat leader list though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) That would be a good change if we can do it, I must admit I'm not fully clued up on this years rules. Wouldn't we then have 4 riders off the heat leader list though? After May 1st the heat leader list is null and void. Think it may explain the make up of the side. Gives the opportunity to bring someone in who would be regarded as heatleader but I might be giving Horton too much credit for thinking that! Edited April 2, 2016 by woz01 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanr1 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 After May 1st the heat leader list is null and void. Think it may explain the make up of the side. Gives the opportunity to bring someone in who would be regarded as heatleader but I might be giving Horton too much credit for thinking that! Thanks for that, it gets more complicated every year! Fingers crossed for a big signing then, and hope that we can at least pick up some points before then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 thanks mick for you for honesty , but at the end of the day you clueless - have you considered doing a Plymouth ? now means I know what I ain't doing on a Friday night in April. Was at Glasgow last Sunday and proud to be a Coventry Fan - how quickly has that changed ! Bees don't need riders who just turn up and not realising who they representing and not putting the effort in. great top two in KK and Mr Harris - the rest not worthy ! At this rate the final meeting at Brandon will be in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Norris Allen already saying changes are happening at Leicester! Maybe we could swap them Woryna for Ulamek or Walasek?! At least we should win at home then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Norris Allen already saying changes are happening at Leicester! Maybe we could swap them Woryna for Ulamek or Walasek?! At least we should win at home then I'd take that, at least Woryna looks like he tries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Wouldn't swop Woryna for those. Rather wait till May and try for pawlicki or Larsen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Wouldn't swop Woryna for those. Rather wait till May and try for pawlicki or Larsen Quite agree, don't want any Oaps much prefer to keep the young pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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