Beowulf Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 What evidence do want? Names and addresses of the culprits? When someone thinks they are getting away with a good scam they are unable to keep their mouth shut and it soon becomes common knowledge. Anyway the concession was aimed at FULL time students not mature students who worked during the day and occasionally attended a college at night. Fair enough. And has that been specified explicitly so that students know what the rules are ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Unlike you I cannot predict the future. I guess you are one of the supporters who has been benefiting from this £5 gesture to genuine students and does not like the idea of paying full price. Just because I challenged what the money grabbing promotion have done doesn't mean I don't pay full price, which I have done for 20 plus years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 holy moly - just read the latest on the "official" bees site of the student admission policy being withdrawn due to it being "abused". Horton and Watson - you so so desperate and obviously on a different planet. You need bums on seats big time - so a student coming in for say 5 quid less than the the normal 17 quid rate men's you get 12 pounds of income, plus the potential of a programme sale, bag of crisps, maybe a pie and if you lucky, a glass of Coke. Now, master or miss student are gonna give you a miss - especially with the rubbishe you putting on show at present. I fifty plus, and the student policy means bugger all to me. Come on guys, get a life ! My edit - for rubbishe please read. S H I T and E. - anything less does not emphasise how bad things are. But it was abused, someone posted somewhere that he and everyone he knows was gonna get in for a fiver, how stupid was that ..... some people obviously don't want their clubs to survive! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Cant believe people are defending people that are abusing the system. It was designed to help young people in education to attend meetings. How many fans do clubs lose when they reach the age of 16-18 because of the price increase? Massive shame but can understand why the promotion have took this stance, why should people who cheat the system get in cheap while good honest people are paying adult rate is good faith. Edited April 5, 2016 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Cant believe people are defending people that are abusing the system. It was designed to help young people in education to attend meetings. How many fans do clubs lose when they reach the age of 16-18 because of the price increase? Massive shame but can understand why the promotion have took this stance, why should people who cheat the system get in cheap while good honest people are paying adult rate is good faith.So right, the ones who have abused the offer should be ashamed, clever dicks aren't they! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Surely the solution is anyone they're not convinced is a real student is given the benefit of the doubt that meeting but is asked or further proof for the next meeting. Most people will have an admission letter from university/college. It's not an impossible hurdle to over come. The issue is that the club didn't actually state who the offer was aimed at. It was typical speedway without any explaination. Without any T&Cs a student price that allows NUS card holders in is just that. Am I to assume that when I genuinely had my NUS card 2 years ago (wasn't a student but worked an educational company) that any company offering a student discount wasn't offering it to me? What was I meant to be looking for? How was I to know if McDonalds "spirit" of the offer was aimed at full time students or me? What about the cinema? They all said NUS cards so I claimed the discount. Same now with Coventry Speedway. It comes back to Mick Horton saying/doing something but getting it wrong/not understanding it. Edited April 5, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
190557 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I think Mick naively thought that customers would be honest. Very silly I know and you would think he should no better. I think he has every intention of putting something in place that targets the correct student audience. Mick has a habit of meaning well but not putting enough thought into his ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I think Mick naively thought that customers would be honest. Very silly I know and you would think he should no better. I think he has every intention of putting something in place that targets the correct student audience. Mick has a habit of meaning well but not putting enough thought into his ideas. As the 2016 team proves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 If people read the statement correctly, it says it is being withdrawn 'at this stage' and that the club are going to be working with local universities etc over the next few days to find a way forward. It's a shame that it wasn't sorted before the season started, but perhaps the system, which has been in place for a while, has never been abused to such an extent before. They need to get rid of the NUS discount and control student admission themselves, deciding on a clear definition of who it applies to. Students should have to apply for a club student card in the same way a supporter would apply for a season ticket, with proof of enrolment on a full time course and photo ID. This would then be shown at the turnstile to enable the student to gain the discount on entry. It would be relatively easy to set up. Seems pretty sensible to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Mick has a habit of meaning well but not putting enough thought into his ideas. This x100. The number of times hes done something and had to back track is silly now. I genuinely think the guy always means well and has the best of intentions though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Bollocks I bet your all at it, fancy scamming poor Mick over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Surely the solution is anyone they're not convinced is a real student is given the benefit of the doubt that meeting but is asked or further proof for the next meeting. Most people will have an admission letter from university/college. It's not an impossible hurdle to over come. The issue is that the club didn't actually state who the offer was aimed at. It was typical speedway without any explaination. Without any T&Cs a student price that allows NUS card holders in is just that. Am I to assume that when I genuinely had my NUS card 2 years ago (wasn't a student but worked an educational company) that any company offering a student discount wasn't offering it to me? What was I meant to be looking for? How was I to know if McDonalds "spirit" of the offer was aimed at full time students or me? What about the cinema? They all said NUS cards so I claimed the discount. Same now with Coventry Speedway. It comes back to Mick Horton saying/doing something but getting it wrong/not understanding it. Unless you're stupid it's obvious who the offer was aimed at imo! I think Mick naively thought that customers would be honest. Very silly I know and you would think he should no better. I think he has every intention of putting something in place that targets the correct student audience. Mick has a habit of meaning well but not putting enough thought into his ideas. How wicked of him expecting honesty and integrity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Unless you're stupid it's obvious who the offer was aimed at imo! Except it really wasn't. People were tweeting the club before the first meeting to ask what constituted a "student" and then they were told NUS card holders. So if you had an NUS card that was deemed enough, nowhere else was there any other convoluted rules of "spirit" or "what they meant". If they didn't mean NUS card holders they should have explained this. The point is they didn't know and they don't know now do they? If they had some clear rules they would state them, the fact they have removed it (possibly as a temp thing) suggests they didn't know themselves! I think telling people they "abused" the offer is pretty pathetic when they asked on twitter and got an answer. So for the stupid people, who was the offer aimed at? Bearing in mind the club posted this yesterday afternoon 6 hours before removing the student price, "STUDENT ADMISSION Monday April 04, 2016 COVENTRY wish to clarify the arrangements for student admission at Elite and National League meetings this season. We require proof of full-time student status, and therefore an NUS card will be required to gain entry at the student rate. We hope this clarifies any previous confusion over this issue." Edited April 5, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Unless you're stupid it's obvious who the offer was aimed at imo! How wicked of him expecting honesty and integrity! Like a lot of speedway rules etc, this price offer was not thought out properly, he should have added an age limit. But there is a 66 year old I know who is going to college full time, who technically is a student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 The whole withdrawing of student admission is ridiculous. Many thousands of companies/establishments offer student discounts in Britiain and they accept simply a NUS card issued by a University or College. It even has the Uni or College's name on the card!! Why can't Coventry just do the same instead of acting like its a completely new problem that they've found. If people read the statement correctly, it says it is being withdrawn 'at this stage' and that the club are going to be working with local universities etc over the next few days to find a way forward. It's a shame that it wasn't sorted before the season started, but perhaps the system, which has been in place for a while, has never been abused to such an extent before. They need to get rid of the NUS discount and control student admission themselves, deciding on a clear definition of who it applies to. Students should have to apply for a club student card in the same way a supporter would apply for a season ticket, with proof of enrolment on a full time course and photo ID. This would then be shown at the turnstile to enable the student to gain the discount on entry. It would be relatively easy to set up. Seems pretty sensible to me. So what about those students that just want to see a one off meeting? They're not going to go through all that process and just not bother to turn up, and that's lost income! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Maybe they should have changed the advert for the "next meeting at Brandon Stadium", it still advertising students at £5? I know its not funny but one statement says how poor the team is doing and we are very sorry and the next is basically telling some to come and pay even more now to come and watch them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundinfan Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 So,another knee jerk reaction fron the biggest jerk in Coventry promotional history. He annoyed the pensioners now he's dishing the students. What will be left? Doesn't he realise that he has been the one stealing from the fans for years, serving up this season a team of no hopers who may just about cut it in the premier league. The mans history is a catalogue of disasters. The removal of Colin Pratt, the falling out with Blayne , the falling out with the best presentation team and centre green presenter ,the Simpson brothers. Cancelling the aftermeeting music and get together with the riders. Putting together a shocking team with the help of a team manager who as a rider was great but lacks any credentials as team manager. No Horton and Watsons experience and passion for Coventry remains at zero. It will be mainly Horton who kills off speedway in Coventry . He alone has reduced a nights entertainment to the dark ages of speedway with his lack of finesse in dealing with people who had the best interests of the club at heart throughout recent years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) The whole withdrawing of student admission is ridiculous. Many thousands of companies/establishments offer student discounts in Britiain and they accept simply a NUS card issued by a University or College. It even has the Uni or College's name on the card!! Why can't Coventry just do the same instead of acting like its a completely new problem that they've found. So what about those students that just want to see a one off meeting? They're not going to go through all that process and just not bother to turn up, and that's lost income! Hard luck to them. Blame those who abused the system, as poorly thought out as it may have been.If it was my business, I'd be more worried about persistent lost income through a group of people who use an NUS card questionably on a regular basis than the money lost from a one-off student not attending. Sorry, but I've got no time for spongers or freeloaders. There are people who clearly got hold of an NUS card which they would not otherwise have had, just to take advantage of a well intentioned discount offer from the Bees promotion. Technically, they have done nothing wrong, but morally they have. We could all have done it but I suspect many people, such as myself, would have decided that to do so would be morally wrong. Edited April 5, 2016 by G the Bee 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted April 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Except it really wasn't. People were tweeting the club before the first meeting to ask what constituted a "student" and then they were told NUS card holders. So if you had an NUS card that was deemed enough, nowhere else was there any other convoluted rules of "spirit" or "what they meant". If they didn't mean NUS card holders they should have explained this. The point is they didn't know and they don't know now do they? If they had some clear rules they would state them, the fact they have removed it (possibly as a temp thing) suggests they didn't know themselves! I think telling people they "abused" the offer is pretty pathetic when they asked on twitter and got an answer. So for the stupid people, who was the offer aimed at? Bearing in mind the club posted this yesterday afternoon 6 hours before removing the student price, "STUDENT ADMISSION Monday April 04, 2016 COVENTRY wish to clarify the arrangements for student admission at Elite and National League meetings this season. We require proof of full-time student status, and therefore an NUS card will be required to gain entry at the student rate. We hope this clarifies any previous confusion over this issue." It's about honesty. You'll always get people who will take the piss, no matter what it involves. It might be prudent to remind these people that they are actually committing a criminal offence, it's deception plain, and simple, an arrestable offence!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) It's about honesty. You'll always get people who will take the piss, no matter what it involves. It might be prudent to remind these people that they are actually committing a criminal offence, it's deception plain, and simple, an arrestable offence!! What is? If the deal is open to NUS card holders and these people have an NUS card what is fraudulent? Anyone working for an educational establishment will generally as one of their work place benefits be eligible for an NUS card (I was, I know of two others who are). Are they "abusing" the system? Is what they're doing "fraudulent"? If someone was printing their own student card that would be fraudulent. Bear in mind this statement, "We require proof of full-time student status, and therefore an NUS card will be required to gain entry at the student rate." from Coventry Speedway! The issue is that an NUS card is NOT "proof of full-time student status" and never has been. It's proof you're a member of the student union. Edited April 5, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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