kingbee Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) How many people did we send to the Falklands and Iraq? And a lot of them will still be adults rather than OAPs. If we want to give our armed forces a discount then have an armed forces discount like the Americans do. Don't give ALL OAPs a discount because some people went to war. I'm not saying we should kill all old people, or they should be locked away. I'm just questioning why they get a discount. I just want them to pay the same as everyone else. I could understand if we all had so much money giving them a discount but we don't. We're a country that while not in recession is not in good shape so rather than discounting OAPs passtimes should they not be paying the same as everyone else? So what are you saying about students getting discounted admission you didn't mention that .You take a lot of sense most of the time Shawn but this time you are talking a lot of ******** Edited November 20, 2015 by kingbee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 How many people did we send to the Falklands and Iraq? And a lot of them will still be adults rather than OAPs. If we want to give our armed forces a discount then have an armed forces discount like the Americans do. Don't give ALL OAPs a discount because some people went to war. I'm not saying we should kill all old people, or they should be locked away. I'm just questioning why they get a discount. I just want them to pay the same as everyone else. I could understand if we all had so much money giving them a discount but we don't. We're a country that while not in recession is not in good shape so rather than discounting OAPs passtimes should they not be paying the same as everyone else? Let's be grateful for small mercies 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 How many people did we send to the Falklands and Iraq? And a lot of them will still be adults rather than OAPs. If we want to give our armed forces a discount then have an armed forces discount like the Americans do. Don't give ALL OAPs a discount because some people went to war. I'm not saying we should kill all old people, or they should be locked away. I'm just questioning why they get a discount. I just want them to pay the same as everyone else. I could understand if we all had so much money giving them a discount but we don't. We're a country that while not in recession is not in good shape so rather than discounting OAPs passtimes should they not be paying the same as everyone else? I'm an old person, been watching since the 1950s, these days I can't afford to go to many meetings and I can't afford to go legit with BT. Removing pensioner discounts could arguably be fair, but so could dropping the prices for everyone. Speedway is far too expensive for what it is, if it couldn't manage on lower prices, it should cut it's own running costs or go part-time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I'm an old person, been watching since the 1950s, these days I can't afford to go to many meetings and I can't afford to go legit with BT. Removing pensioner discounts could arguably be fair, but so could dropping the prices for everyone. Speedway is far too expensive for what it is, if it couldn't manage on lower prices, it should cut it's own running costs or go part-time. What is it though and what would you pitch it against? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 So what are you saying about students getting discounted admission you didn't mention that .You take a lot of sense most of the time Shawn but this time you are talking a lot of ******** Well owing to the fact people have to stay in education now until 18, I think it'd be unfair to charge them the same as someone earning a wage or with a pension. Those who are in university are never going to be earning much and they can't even claim tops (like tax credits etc) so they need some sort of help. They have not made life choice that prevent them paying full price. IMO, most (not all!) OAPs who cannot afford full price speedway it's because of life choices. They didn't plan for their retirement. Students are in no position to same and plan for being a student by virtue of becoming one by law at the age of 4 and not legally being allowed to work before then! My point, quite simply is if your life choice mean you can't afford something, then reconsider your life choice. If you life choice is to be a scrounger, then don't complain you can't afford speedway. If your life choice is to be a stay at home mum, don't complain you can't afford speedway. If your life choice is to work in Australia, don't complain you can't afford to travel every week to watch speedway. If you life choice is to be retired and spend your money one something else, don't complain that an extra £2 every week means you can't afford speedway! And frankly, I doubt the £2 extra OAPs are being asked for every other week is going to leave them poor, cold or starving. It's £2!! It almost seems silly arguing this from either side over such a trivial amount. Let's be grateful for small mercies I leave that for people who disagree with me. Especially on such important matters as a McDonalds breakfast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 What is it though and what would you pitch it against? Other very minority sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Other very minority sports. What sports and what do they charge? The prices for something like stock car racing are pretty comparable to those charged at most speedway tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 For Christ sake. It's an undeniable fact that under 35s have lower disposable income than over 65s (feel free to prove me wrong). Its undeniable that under 35 unemployment is higher in the last 5 years that it has been for a long time. How many OAPs do you think fought for this country? We were last at war in 1945, thats 70 years ago. Lets assume you went to war at 15, thats means you have to be 85. How many 85 year old are there at speedway? The reality most OAPs did NOT fight for this country. They have contributed as much as the OAPS have. you know, the ones who have left the country buggered. It sure as hell isn't the under 35s who have left the country in a financial mess is it? When did the rubbish hit the fan? 2007, so it was going on in the years leading up to that, so about 2000 to 2007 yes? That means if you were 18 in 2000-2007 you are now circa-35. So no, it's not the under 35 who have ruined the country, caused mass-unemployment, caused house prices to reach catastrophic highs. biased opinion. I know plenty of OAP's who fought in the wars and still go to speedway. My dad for one. It's not for me to tell you that you have little respect for you're elders. So what are you saying about students getting discounted admission you didn't mention that .You take a lot of sense most of the time Shawn but this time you are talking a lot of ******** 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 What sports and what do they charge? The prices for something like stock car racing are pretty comparable to those charged at most speedway tracks. They get bigger crowds and can get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They get bigger crowds and can get away with it. That’s slightly contradictory logic is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 biased opinion. I know plenty of OAP's who fought in the wars and still go to speedway. My dad for one. It's not for me to tell you that you have little respect for you're elders. So my biased opinion, that I portrayed using facts is rubbished but then you come up with proof of many OAPs having fought for the country because of one OAP, your dad? So you know your dad, now how many OAPs do you know who go to speedway? He's 1 out of how many? Did you dad get a discount when he was just an "adult"? As I said, if you want to give a armed services a discount then you should have an armed forces discount like they do in America and in Dominos pizza. But frankly I think thats pants too, as nobody is forced into the armed services these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 That’s slightly contradictory logic is it not? Well just put it this way, I used to go to two or three meetings a week, now I can't usually afford to go to one. As pensioners go I'm not a poor man, but I have to prioritise and I don't smoke or drink. My logic wasn't contradictory, if Speedway got bigger crowds they'd probably feel confident in putting the prices up even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 A great deal of thought went into this revision, the following information from the highly respected IFS may be of interest: The current generation of pensioners is better off than ever before, and for the first time have incomes higher on average than the rest of the population, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) Paul Johnson will say in giving the inaugural Pensions Management Institute annual lecture later today (18.30 Tuesday 20 Oct 2015). Johnson will set out how modelling by IFS researchers suggests that pensioners’ incomes will continue to rise for at least the next decade. However, it is unlikely that later generations will do as well. Future state pensions will be less generous on average, there has been an extraordinary fall in rates of home ownership, and, in the private sector, a collapse in membership of defined benefit occupational pension schemes. Younger generations are also likely bearing some of the cost of these generous occupational pension schemes from which they themselves will never benefit. Johnson will also use his lecture to outline some policy priorities for making state and private pensions more stable and sustainable, for example ending the so called triple lock on the state pension and bringing stability to the taxation of private pensions. Drawing on work by IFS researchers, Johnson will show how: Pensioners now have higher incomes on average than the rest of the population, once housing costs and family composition are taken into account. Pensioners’ incomes have continued to rise post-recession as the incomes of working-age households have fallen.. (Cont). No doubt there will be individuals who don't fit this general view, but our view is that a concessionary rate for seniors is no longer appropriate. We have however made a much bigger investment in making speedway more affordable for families and juniors, and the majority of the feedback I have had so far supports this action. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 So my biased opinion, that I portrayed using facts is rubbished but then you come up with proof of many OAPs having fought for the country because of one OAP, your dad? So you know your dad, now how many OAPs do you know who go to speedway? He's 1 out of how many? Did you dad get a discount when he was just an "adult"? As I said, if you want to give a armed services a discount then you should have an armed forces discount like they do in America and in Dominos pizza. But frankly I think thats pants too, as nobody is forced into the armed services these days. The expected putdown. My dad goes with and speaks to several other guys who fought in the war and that's just at wolves and brum. No doubt you will be asking for names/DOB/war fought/rank etc but I will let you carry on embarrassing yourself. It's proving to be the laugh of the day at least so thanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Well just put it this way, I used to go to two or three meetings a week, now I can't usually afford to go to one. As pensioners go I'm not a poor man, but I have to prioritise and I don't smoke or drink. My logic wasn't contradictory, if Speedway got bigger crowds they'd probably feel confident in putting the prices up even more. The price of speedway has gone up well ahead of the rate of inflation. It cost £7 to get into Newport Speedway in 1997 which is £11.37 in 2015 but the average PL entry price seems to be £14 or £15! That means it's 30% too high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) A great deal of thought went into this revision, the following information from the highly respected IFS may be of interest: The current generation of pensioners is better off than ever before, and for the first time have incomes higher on average than the rest of the population, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) Paul Johnson will say in giving the inaugural Pensions Management Institute annual lecture later today (18.30 Tuesday 20 Oct 2015). Johnson will set out how modelling by IFS researchers suggests that pensioners incomes will continue to rise for at least the next decade. However, it is unlikely that later generations will do as well. Future state pensions will be less generous on average, there has been an extraordinary fall in rates of home ownership, and, in the private sector, a collapse in membership of defined benefit occupational pension schemes. Younger generations are also likely bearing some of the cost of these generous occupational pension schemes from which they themselves will never benefit. Johnson will also use his lecture to outline some policy priorities for making state and private pensions more stable and sustainable, for example ending the so called triple lock on the state pension and bringing stability to the taxation of private pensions. Drawing on work by IFS researchers, Johnson will show how: Pensioners now have higher incomes on average than the rest of the population, once housing costs and family composition are taken into account. Pensioners incomes have continued to rise post-recession as the incomes of working-age households have fallen.. (Cont). No doubt there will be individuals who don't fit this general view, but our view is that a concessionary rate for seniors is no longer appropriate. We have however made a much bigger investment in making speedway more affordable for families and juniors, and the majority of the feedback I have had so far supports this action. You just need to look after the U35's now. My heart bleeds for their poverty. Edited November 20, 2015 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Well just put it this way, I used to go to two or three meetings a week, now I can't usually afford to go to one. As pensioners go I'm not a poor man, but I have to prioritise and I don't smoke or drink. My logic wasn't contradictory, if Speedway got bigger crowds they'd probably feel confident in putting the prices up even more. It is a bit contradictory to say the sport should price its self in line with other minority sports (it does) but then say its ok for other sports to do it because they get bigger crowds, so basically, by your own logic they simply screw more people over? I think there is a fine line for the sport between fair pricing and pricing people out, comparing the average price (£15/20) it falls in line with most minority sports, and is actually a lot cheaper than most forms of entertainment. I am sorry if you aren’t able to attend as often as used to, but I wouldn’t (without even knowing your circumstances) say that blame lies at the door of the pricing structure of the sport. Let’s face it, if it was £2.50 to get in, people would still say it should be £1.75 Edited November 20, 2015 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) The expected putdown. My dad goes with and speaks to several other guys who fought in the war and that's just at wolves and brum. No doubt you will be asking for names/DOB/war fought/rank etc but I will let you carry on embarrassing yourself. It's proving to be the laugh of the day at least so thanks But you're not getting this. They get the discount for being an OAP. Not someone in the armed forces. If you want an armed forces discount ask for one, or go to Dominos for a pizza! A great deal of thought went into this revision, the following information from the highly respected IFS may be of interest: The current generation of pensioners is better off than ever before, and for the first time have incomes higher on average than the rest of the population, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) Paul Johnson will say in giving the inaugural Pensions Management Institute annual lecture later today (18.30 Tuesday 20 Oct 2015). Johnson will set out how modelling by IFS researchers suggests that pensioners’ incomes will continue to rise for at least the next decade. However, it is unlikely that later generations will do as well. Future state pensions will be less generous on average, there has been an extraordinary fall in rates of home ownership, and, in the private sector, a collapse in membership of defined benefit occupational pension schemes. Younger generations are also likely bearing some of the cost of these generous occupational pension schemes from which they themselves will never benefit. Johnson will also use his lecture to outline some policy priorities for making state and private pensions more stable and sustainable, for example ending the so called triple lock on the state pension and bringing stability to the taxation of private pensions. Drawing on work by IFS researchers, Johnson will show how: Pensioners now have higher incomes on average than the rest of the population, once housing costs and family composition are taken into account. Pensioners’ incomes have continued to rise post-recession as the incomes of working-age households have fallen.. (Cont). No doubt there will be individuals who don't fit this general view, but our view is that a concessionary rate for seniors is no longer appropriate. We have however made a much bigger investment in making speedway more affordable for families and juniors, and the majority of the feedback I have had so far supports this action. The IFS or the BSF?! I know who I chose to believe You just need to look after the U35's now. My heart bleeds for their poverty. I don't think you realise how poor off the U35's are. The IFS are proper, serious and well respected and even they say its the case. But it's not good enough for you. Edited November 20, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 A great deal of thought went into this revision, the following information from the highly respected IFS may be of interest: The current generation of pensioners is better off than ever before, and for the first time have incomes higher on average than the rest of the population, the director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) Paul Johnson will say in giving the inaugural Pensions Management Institute annual lecture later today (18.30 Tuesday 20 Oct 2015). Johnson will set out how modelling by IFS researchers suggests that pensioners’ incomes will continue to rise for at least the next decade. However, it is unlikely that later generations will do as well. Future state pensions will be less generous on average, there has been an extraordinary fall in rates of home ownership, and, in the private sector, a collapse in membership of defined benefit occupational pension schemes. Younger generations are also likely bearing some of the cost of these generous occupational pension schemes from which they themselves will never benefit. Johnson will also use his lecture to outline some policy priorities for making state and private pensions more stable and sustainable, for example ending the so called triple lock on the state pension and bringing stability to the taxation of private pensions. Drawing on work by IFS researchers, Johnson will show how: Pensioners now have higher incomes on average than the rest of the population, once housing costs and family composition are taken into account. Pensioners’ incomes have continued to rise post-recession as the incomes of working-age households have fallen.. (Cont). No doubt there will be individuals who don't fit this general view, but our view is that a concessionary rate for seniors is no longer appropriate. We have however made a much bigger investment in making speedway more affordable for families and juniors, and the majority of the feedback I have had so far supports this action. We are also told that we are in a period of deflation, but many do no see this in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 But you're not getting this. They get the discount for being an OAP. Not someone in the armed forces. If you want an armed forces discount ask for one, or go to Dominos for a pizza! The IMF or the BSF?! I know who I chose to believe I get it, I got it . You it seems have missed my point. Yes they get a discount for being OAP, my point is that some of them deserve it using the example I have given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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