Bees_Man Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Looking likely more supporters will be lost to the sport then in 2016 - Those team line ups look awful. Should have bitten the bullet and had two leagues, and EL / PL combined with a NL league for young brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 With a 40.5 limit and one of your reserves being limited to 3 (due to the draft) and the other reserve being 5 at most you have 8 teams needed to find 34 points worth of rides. There are NOT that many points worth of riders available. Wolves and Leicester could do nothing last season so why is anyone going to be able to do to now? The teams with a bit of money will sign up to 40.5 leaving a few teams 2 or 3 points below the limit and possibly with Zengota and/Summers on inflated averages. The points limit is too high. I said so last year, I was right. This year it's the same and there are less riders. It's madness! I disagree with your sums. In 2015 the limit was 40.5 with 2 EDRs totalling an assessed 6.50, leaving 34 for the 1-5 In 2016, if 2 EDR's total 7.5 to 8 points (using the converted PL averages) then that will only leave around 32.5 to 33 for the 1-5 which is less than last year. Incidentally, where has it been said that the Tier 2 reserve will only be 3 points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Add up all the riders who ended last season in a 1-7, divide by 8 (8 teams) and then replace Magic, Zagar and Kildemand with 5 point men. You get get about 38.5. What you have to remember is the average team will get about 42 over all. But the BSPA have decided to then remove 4 points by making draft riders between 3 and 5 rather that 4 and 7 by using PL averages. The tier two riders will be 3 because the BSPA have already announced they'll come in on converted PL averages. PL 5 equates to 3, only Starke and Bates are higher than that and it's not impossible Starke could be a tier 1 rider! Last year I was told I was went, I was a doom monger etc. Well Wolves finished on 27 and Leicester on about 29. That's 7 and 5 points under the limit. That's not good for anyone! Edited October 26, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I agree we should have been more proactive replacing Robson and we went for the safe option who by then was out of form. Not so damning with replacing joonas as most riders did not want to come over for the scrag end of the season that or Mick was offering peanuts. Back to 2016 team if rumours are correct then are looking like, Bomber Jason Bjerre Joonas or Danny ? Barker reserve 3.00 draft ,hopefully roller. Mikkel Bech ? I don't think he will be back at Lakeside next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 That will be good enough for Eighth place. No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? Could there be the potential of 4 heat leader's there?? Edited October 26, 2015 by Game On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? At a guess that side is well inside the limit. The likes of Bjerre have to be a consideration, his average is very attractive. Edited October 26, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? that team is crap would finish bottom three Imo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I suppose a lot will depend in what teams the others come up with..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Add up all the riders who ended last season in a 1-7, divide by 8 (8 teams) and then replace Magic, Zagar and Kildemand with 5 point men. You get get about 38.5. What you have to remember is the average team will get about 42 over all. But the BSPA have decided to then remove 4 points by making draft riders between 3 and 5 rather that 4 and 7 by using PL averages. The tier two riders will be 3 because the BSPA have already announced they'll come in on converted PL averages. PL 5 equates to 3, only Starke and Bates are higher than that and it's not impossible Starke could be a tier 1 rider! Last year I was told I was went, I was a doom monger etc. Well Wolves finished on 27 and Leicester on about 29. That's 7 and 5 points under the limit. That's not good for anyone! But why replace Magic, Zagar and Kildemand with 5 point men simply to make your argument, when it is just as likely that KK, Lindback, 1xPawlicki, even Miedzinski, Korneliusen, Michelsen, B.Pedersen plus the as yet unknown foreign 6.50 riders could be coming into the list?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? Is this Ben Barker in which case what on earth is he doing as an FTR rider, 28 ish and already ridden in the EL, what a joke. Edited October 26, 2015 by A ORLOV 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 that team is crap would finish bottom three Imo We're not entering it into the Swedish Elitserien though. Who, apart from Poole who we know have already won it, do you think will look any better? Think of realistic signings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 No chance. Despite my previous protestations re: signing Bjerre, a team consisting of: 1. King 2. Bjerre 3. Kylmakorpi 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Barker 7. Sarjeant (AN Other) would absolutely walk to the Playoff Semis. In fact that team looks so good, I doubt it's even under the points limit? King at 1 - I've seen it all now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Not Bjerre surely! Would rather have Joonas & King back than bottling bjerre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 King at 1 - I've seen it all now! But Bjerre at two, who would likely swap places with him after the first set of averages. Put Bomber at 1 if you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) But Bjerre at two, who would likely swap places with him after the first set of averages. Put Bomber at 1 if you prefer. Or Bjerre could drop to reserve based on his shocking UK form. No thanks. Having Bjerre would be almost as bad as Batchelor. Wouldn't they both be on the heatleader list? Edited October 26, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Is this Ben Barker in which case what on earth is he doing as an FTR rider, 28 ish and already ridden in the EL, what a joke.Yep, it is ridiculous!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Could there be the potential of 4 heat leader's there??And there's the folly of a 40.5 limit. That team is a point below it but has 4 heat leaders! So how the hell are teams going to build up to the limit?!But why replace Magic, Zagar and Kildemand with 5 point men simply to make your argument, when it is just as likely that KK, Lindback, 1xPawlicki, even Miedzinski, Korneliusen, Michelsen, B.Pedersen plus the as yet unknown foreign 6.50 riders could be coming into the list?!Because the likes of Barker and Worrall are 5 point men. You can't magic up some 8 point men to replace them, they don't exist which is why Swindon signed a 6.5 rider to replace their top of the averages and Coventry has to go with guests to replace an 8.5 gap. Lindback and Pawlicki are not coming back. Pedersen has retired from GB speedway and Mikkelson is a 5 point rider, as is Mads. We're not entering it into the Swedish Elitserien though. Who, apart from Poole who we know have already won it, do you think will look any better? Think of realistic signings. THIS! You have to compare the team to others. And that teams looks pretty good to me. It's ok saying "King as heatleader" well he was when Brum topped the league and half of last year when we were ripping the league. While Bjerre is an 8 point man in hiding, and Barker a 6-7 point man in hiding. Edited October 26, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Is this Ben Barker in which case what on earth is he doing as an FTR rider, 28 ish and already ridden in the EL, what a joke. I agree, it goes against the principle of the FTR system completely. Barker, along with some others rumoured to be included in this system, shouldn't be. They have progressed beyond the level the FTR system is aimed at, and it makes a mockery of the whole thing....not to mention taking opportunities away from young lads who the system is intended benefit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) But Bjerre at two, who would likely swap places with him after the first set of averages. Put Bomber at 1 if you prefer. Bomber at one been there done that doesn't work I would rather have Larsen at one its OK Scb rabbiting on about averages but they don't win meetings Horton don't mess about let's go out with a bang not a puff of smoke Edited October 26, 2015 by kingbee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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