Alan_Jones Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Here's where it says. Someone else did post this link on here earlier, it may not have been in response to your question though. http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1563 Not an official protest though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 However, it does say the SCB are investigating it. Why would they do that? Perhaps it will be like the Poole V Lakeside investigation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I wouldn't want the title taken off Poole and handed to Belle Vue, that wouldn't feel good. If Poole are punished then a points deduction at the start of next season would seem fair to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Here's where it says. Someone else did post this link on here earlier, it may not have been in response to your question though. http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1563 Exactly!! No official protest or appeal mentioned!! Why would BV or any team for that matter, say that they will make no further comment? Surely if there was to be some sort of score reversal or anything at all that favoured BV then a comment would surely be forthcoming. As I've said before, as seen on TV, there was a clear breach of the racing rules, by the SCB officials on the night and the rider. Therefore any retrospective action should be in the form of a rider fine. However as there was no reference to any incident in the Ref's meeting report, I'm not sure what else should or could happen?! Edited October 4, 2015 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinhw Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Exactly!! No official protest or appeal mentioned!! Why would BV or any team for that matter, say that they will make no further comment? Surely if there was to be some sort of score reversal or anything at all that favoured BV then a comment would surely be forthcoming. As I've said before, as seen on TV, there was a clear breach of the racing rules, by the SCB officials on the night and the rider. Therefore any retrospective action should be in the form of a rider fine. However as there was no reference to any incident in the Ref's meeting report, I'm not sure what else should or could happen?! Just because it doesn't explicitly say 'official protest' doesn't mean that hasn't happened though?.Otherwise why put that statement on the website at all? I'd say the 'no further comment' bit simply means they have nothing more to say regarding whatever appeal may or may not have been made until they receive a response from the SCB. Until the SCB issue a statement, none of us knows 100% what decision will be made. For what it's worth I am not expecting the score to be changed at this stage though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Just because it doesn't explicitly say 'official protest' doesn't mean that hasn't happened though?.Otherwise why put that statement on the website at all? I'd say the 'no further comment' bit simply means they have nothing more to say regarding whatever appeal may or may not have been made until they receive a response from the SCB. Until the SCB issue a statement, none of us knows 100% what decision will be made. For what it's worth I am not expecting the score to be changed at this stage though. Conversely, if you'd put in an official protest wouldn't you say so instead of putting it in wishy-washy terms? Edited October 4, 2015 by Alan Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinhw Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Conversely, if you'd put in an official protest wouldn't you say so instead of putting it in wishy-washy terms? Well I would, but this is a British Speedway club we'e talking about. I'm just going to wait and see ... but I won't be holding my breath! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back.That ends that debate then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Lets get to 100 pages - then roll over into next season #gogglegate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back. Thank you Phil The Ace. Q.E.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back. Well that confirms that then Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Exactly!! No official protest or appeal mentioned!! Why would BV or any team for that matter, say that they will make no further comment? Surely if there was to be some sort of score reversal or anything at all that favoured BV then a comment would surely be forthcoming. As I've said before, as seen on TV, there was a clear breach of the racing rules, by the SCB officials on the night and the rider. Therefore any retrospective action should be in the form of a rider fine. However as there was no reference to any incident in the Ref's meeting report, I'm not sure what else should or could happen?! It says they will not make any further comment at this time you forgot to add the last bit obviously a mistake on your part Edited October 5, 2015 by kingbee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 You are correct - I took it to mean 'this season'!! But anyway all has become clear now - no protest, no appeal, just a complaint about the ref!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back. Of course not.. Basically they wanted to appease their fans without wanting to rock the boat with their brick supplier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 You are correct - I took it to mean 'this season'!! But anyway all has become clear now - no protest, no appeal, just a complaint about the ref!! Referees routinely ignore rules about headgear. If the riders hair is not completely covered by the helmet it is supposed to be tucked in , but riders like Skornicki and Lindback always have it flowing out the back in contravention of the rules. The you have riders who paint their own crash helmets, I don't think I have seen a single one of them, certainly not GP riders that have the appropriate helmet area covered by the racing colour but nothing is ever done. Not surprising the ref on this occasion got a bit lax about the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Of course not.. Basically they wanted to appease their fans without wanting to rock the boat with their brick supplier. And that has to rank as the most stupid comment on the thread.................... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehnn Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Belle Vue management complained about the standard of referee. They was never interested in appealing to get the 2 points back. Are you sure? The only instance where the referee definitely was wrong was GoggleGate. The other decisions he had to make, were all judgement calls and watching them back again - you can't say he was definitely wrong. The only 50/50 was Cook's exclusion, and while there's an argument for all 4 back - Cook's exclusion wasn't unreasonable. Live, on the night - the Belle Vue fans were unhappy with some decisions, but that's without the benefit of a big screen and while wearing Rose Tinted spectacles (as all fans do). SCB have really screwed up this one* - they should have made a statement before the 2nd leg. Now they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. If they don't remove Newman's points from Heat 12 - they're accused of being biased towards Poole, remove his poitns and the Elite League Trophy changes desitination (or at least a share of it) thus makign the Grand Final a bit of a fiasco. (* Although the real-screw up was by the Referee - if he'd have made a decision on the night (i.e. looked at the Replay when Lemon asked him too) GoggleGate would be a minor foot-note and nothing more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Lets leave it there then because this could go on and on with no real end and its getting a little boring now. Belle vue wanted to win it on the track or not at all. Lets remember the points that really matter.Both teams gave us a great final to remember it must i.m.o be ranked as one of the best and a great advert for British speedway.Well done to Poole who on the track were (just) the better team over the 2 legs. Pools highlights their reserves performance at Kirky lane and the home peformance of Magic and achieving 3 titles in a row. Belle vues highlights their never say die attitude and Cookie showing what he can really do in the Elite league and for giving our long suffering fans the hope that we have finally turned the corner and are on our way to being the Belle vue of old. So lets forget gogglegate and remember what really matters and that is what happened on the track it was a brilliant play off final. Edited October 6, 2015 by B.V 72 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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