SteveLyric2 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 So it seems there was no mention of any incident at heat 12, nor any official protest in the official referee's report to the SCB, so I'm not quite sure what people expect the SCB to do?? Thank Belle Vue for writing in afterwards and wish them well in their new home!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 So it seems there was no mention of any incident at heat 12, nor any official protest in the official referee's report to the SCB, so I'm not quite sure what people expect the SCB to do?? Thank Belle Vue for writing in afterwards and wish them well in their new home!! Where have you got a copy of the referees report from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Where have you got a copy of the referees report from? Dakota North's family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I was stood at the starting gate and a lot of people down below shouted up towards the referee's box about the goggles and if you want to be more picky, he wasn't at tapes when the clocked struck 0.00 either. Personally, he could have been excluded and then gone 15 metres back as he may well have come 2nd or 3rd based on how our reserves were on Monday. The fact he was struggling with them and everyone else was looking across at the incident at tapes, makes you wonder what on earth Graham Flint was doing? As a starting marshall with goggles in his hand the referee not noticing it, he should be banned from refereeing for half the season and take lessons. If this has had been Jim Lawrence then the situation would have been dealt with there and then, as he is the best referee in the UK for me. Pointless post, because its still down to the REF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 Edited October 2, 2015 by Phil The Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pointless post, because its still down to the REF. Not a pointless post - it shows that if spectators saw an offence being committed, why didn't the referee. He surely must have seen what was going on between the rider and the start marshall due to the time scale involved, yet appeared not to do anything about it. Or he didn't see it, in which case he wasn't paying attention to his job, or saw it and ignored it in which case he is lacking in doing his job, or saw it and didn't know it was an offence i.e. didn't know the rule book, in which case he should be reprimanded, retrained, banned for a period or sacked. This was a final determining the champions of the Elite league, you expect top referees to be in charge..... or perhaps there was!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 If you are going to penalise Newman for that then you are going to have to watch footage of every meeting to make sure every rider has been doing it! After all if wasn't on sky, you wouldn't even know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 But the referee should know, whatever meeting it is. If a rider is at tapes messing around for a minute or so surely that should draw the referees attention... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 That is a serious breach of the rules if he wasn't wearing the cut off lanyard.Even the mechanics,riders warming up their bikes in the pits have to put these on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I believe there was some discussion about this lanyard thing earlier and come the race he had it on (that was my understanding anyway). This is why they are needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qtu8BiGIVA I like how the fat bloke in the red shirt stays ice cool, chomping his pie. Edited October 2, 2015 by damosuzuki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 He did, try watching the clip again. His cut off was TIGHTLY on when he lined up to race.. Edited October 2, 2015 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikebv Posted October 2, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) And "gogglegate" rumbles on....!😃 But not it has to be said by many aces fans... Maybe it did change the result, but then again so did Scott's tape exclusion, Cookie's fall and exclusion and the reserves getting pummelled by their counterparts. Add in Matej not dominating like a World Top Rider may have been expected to do and it has to be said, we did more damage to the loss that any ref's balls up did (and lets not forget Steve W didn't cover himself in glory staying down either) Imagine what we would be discussing now if we had got a 3-3 in the rerun😵!? Not meant to be in anyway critical of any of the riders mentioned either by the way it is simply the way sport pans out with its many 'what if?' moments.. Really proud of what the Aces achieved to a man, roll on next year. A great future lies ahead for us I am sure... Well done to Poole. The best team over the season won the title.. Nothing wrong with that... Edited October 2, 2015 by mikebv 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 Pure BS. The TV coverage clearly shows Kyle tightening the cut-out lanyard immeadiately after the Start marshall took his goggles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 What is it with some referees that they love to cause controversy . There are a few good ones, but unfortunately they are out numbered by the poor ones. Its the same with every sport and the best ones are those who do their job quietly and efficiently. Everyman and his dog saw Newman having problems with his goggles, and the Ref. SHOULD have sorted it even without the need of a protest. The fact he let it go was mindless. a desertion of duty. To give an excuse like he did just highlights his uselessness. Once the race had finished and recorded, the offence was gone. Poole didn't cheat, just another example of them benefitting from bad decisions.... The result has to stand....... End of..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pure BS. The TV coverage clearly shows Kyle tightening the cut-out lanyard immeadiately after the Start marshall took his goggles! Earlier in the thread it was said he did take it off at the tapes which is also against the rules Yet more rumours on facebook of riders being tested for dodgy fuel. The name mentioned isn't the one thats been mentioned on this thread though! Cant be true, the fountain of knowledge hasn't told us on here yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pure BS. The TV coverage clearly shows Kyle tightening the cut-out lanyard immeadiately after the Start marshall took his goggles! Was it on his wrist all the time though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 But the referee should know, whatever meeting it is. If a rider is at tapes messing around for a minute or so surely that should draw the referees attention... They all mess around with their Goggles at the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobblytriers Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Strange that it's gone quiet with the "get over it, suck it up, end of, Poole are Champs" posters now that lots of examples of points being deducted, (for a variety of reasons), and a result being altered, are coming out. I really hope that the SCB adhere to the rules and put some credibility back into the sport. I thought the two legs of the final were great and it's a shame that it's been marred by this controversy. I don't really see it as some do, it's not like a goal awarded when it wasn't one, or a try. For me that's an error of judgement and/or opinion. In this case, it's a clear breach of the rules, nothing to do with the refs opinion or judgement, it's the failure of the ref to implement the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe there was some discussion about this lanyard thing earlier and come the race he had it on (that was my understanding anyway). This is why they are needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qtu8BiGIVA I like how the fat bloke in the red shirt stays ice cool, chomping his pie. The lanyard story was a made up story by a sad Smoggie fan from Redcar, who said it on FaceBook today to further wind others up. One more Tosser coming to the party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Strange that it's gone quiet with the "get over it, suck it up, end of, Poole are Champs" posters now that lots of examples of points being deducted, (for a variety of reasons), and a result being altered, are coming out. I really hope that the SCB adhere to the rules and put some credibility back into the sport. I thought the two legs of the final were great and it's a shame that it's been marred by this controversy. I don't really see it as some do, it's not like a goal awarded when it wasn't one, or a try. For me that's an error of judgement and/or opinion. In this case, it's a clear breach of the rules, nothing to do with the refs opinion or judgement, it's the failure of the ref to implement the rules. Still the Referees problem, which ever way you look at it. But even that wouldn't satify you would it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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