ouch Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Sorry, no I'm comparing the advantages of starting from the gate as opposed to starting 15m back after failing the 2 minutes due to faulty/illegal set up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Â Sorry if my comment offended some. Â I couldn't get near the pits unfortunately - its more restricted when Sky are there - but most of the 'chit-chat' was going around before the meeting and then again after heat 10 in the interval. Although I didn't mention any rider by name in my earlier comment, It was mentioned to one of Cook's main sponsors, CFS, who sit near me in the grandstand and who also sponsor Kyle and Paul. They shrugged!! Â As I said I was only passing on what was being said and it was a shame to hear on an otherwise great night.. Â You mean SH!!T stirring! You didn't need to say anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Sorry you feel like that. Loads of people on here 'don't need to say anything' but it generally doesn't stop them, does it Jacques!! Â Anyway glad to see you are still keeping up with the EL finalists! It must be so galling for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Sorry you feel like that. Loads of people on here 'don't need to say anything' but it generally doesn't stop them, does it Jacques!! Â Anyway glad to see you are still keeping up with the EL finalists! It must be so galling for you. I've never posted tittle tattle that I've heard at the stadium just to sh11t stir! Edited October 1, 2015 by Jacques Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Sorry if my comment offended some.  I couldn't get near the pits unfortunately - its more restricted when Sky are there - but most of the 'chit-chat' was going around before the meeting and then again after heat 10 in the interval. Although I didn't mention any rider by name in my earlier comment, It was mentioned to one of Cook's main sponsors, CFS, who sit near me in the grandstand and who also sponsor Kyle and Paul. They shrugged!!  As I said I was only passing on what was being said and it was a shame to hear on an otherwise great night.. You don't get it do you. Sorry if your comments offended some, pathetic. You clearly identified Cook without having to name him. You didn't have to mention the tittle tattle you had heard, you chose to do so knowing it could besmirch the reputation of a rider who had just given 110% for his club. You say it was a shame to hear it but nonetheless you felt you had to publish it to a wider audience. Looks like Poole have one less decent supporter than I thought. Edited October 1, 2015 by Aces51 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 What is all this gash going around about Cookie I have never seen a more committed rider to the BV cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 What is all this gash going around about Cookie I have never seen a more committed rider to the BV cause. Just the self imposed Poole propaganda merchant doing his best to divert the attention away from his own clubs dodgy moves during the play offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 What is all this gash going around about Cookie I have never seen a more committed rider to the BV cause. Probably the most openly committed to the club since Alan Wilkinson but PC and Mort would take some beating for loyalty as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinsgirl Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Â It was against Reading, Peter Ravn was the rider in question, and you are correct it was because his name was not printed in the programme. Reading waited until the meeting was over, BV had hammered them, and put in the protest, which the Ref upheld. After this incident we stopped going to speedway for several years. There must be some way that the usual conspiracy junkies can trace this back to Matt. Surely there couldn't have been a start to the decline of the standards in our league racing before he came along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 There must be some way that the usual conspiracy junkies can trace this back to Matt. Surely there couldn't have been a start to the decline of the standards in our league racing before he came along. I heard he drove past the stadium three weeks before the meeting or, if not him it was someone who once met him. Sounds convincing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) wow and still Poole fans cant get it.  ok in plain simple.  1. Newman had a problem with his goggles. 2. It is up to the referee to spot this, NOT as Starman thinks the start marshal. 3. Newman did not have the correct equipment to race a speedway bike. 4. If he had to go back to the pits then quite rightly he had to be excluded under 2 minutes. 5. The issue is wether he should recieve a penalty after the event.  So to sum up POOLE HAVE NOT CHEATED!! THE REF MISSED IT!! First of all, I have reported you. I came on what I thought was a friendly forum and I get this insulting post after simply asking a question in regards to a ruling. There is something mentally wrong with the poster in my opinion. Second of all, before running your mouth, put your brain in first gear and get your facts right. I am not a Poole fan. My club is sadly deceased and I watch the odd match when I get the chance.  Thirdly, it's a shame you were raised in a way where your etiquette and reading skills need some vital attention. I clearly state in my post that Newman had a problem and the referee should have excluded him but seemingly did not know the rule just like yourself at the time. Only a Sky statician happened to check the rule book I would guess as nobody seemed to care or know. Your points are totally irrelevant to any of the questions I asked and I doubt you are an ex speedway official.  Finally, I already raised the issue of why points should be deducted afterwards. Again you failed to read the post or answer the question with any kind of speedway rules or knowledge.  I suggest in future you read the posts properly instead of making unwelcoming and unintelligent comments.   On a better note, I feel sad for the Aces because I felt both teams gave it everything and neither team deserved to lose.  As I usually cheer the underdogs, I would have been pleased if the Aces had won, however as a man of principal, I also always feel that the team who top the league should win the league regardless.  Well done to both teams over the legs for the entertainment served and well done to Poole for winning by the narrowest of margins. Edited October 1, 2015 by Joe Beevers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Congratulations to Poole on winning the title. I went to both legs and it was great to see a huge crowd for Belle Vue's last meeting at the Greyhound track  They did the damage in the first leg and it was great to see the Aces fight all the way after the disastrous start on Monday.  I was proud of the team's performance and as you can imagine disappointed that we did not get the result that all Ace's fans wanted.  Onward and upward , I say.  Next year we move in to our new stadium and hopefully the beginnings of a new era.  I well remember 1967 when Dent Oliver started the training schools again and we developed a shed full of talented British riders which produced a succession of strong teams based on our own young riders that came from the training schools.  I will not object to some deja vu once we start on training schools again..... It won't be instantaneous success but will develop within a few years. Edited October 1, 2015 by KIRKYLANE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Take the two points off Newman's score on Monday, but also then take the 3 extra points Zagar was awarded for his GD ride, these joker rules have no place in league title deciders. Â Outcome, Poole won fairly & squarely by 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I have not read all the comments so all I am going to say is this............... Â The real winner last night was Speedway..................to be fair both teams deserved to win the title...........both teams rode their hearts out...............both teams did their level best..................like many others thought the outcome was never going to be guaranteed and it certainly kept me on the edge of my slightly uncomfortable seat in the stand................... Â It was one of the best and most emotional meetings I have seen in nearly 40 years of following the sport............ Â Well done Poole..............but credit to Belle Vue for giving us a great meeting..........and to be honest if Poole had lost it would have been to the better team and it would not have bothered me if the Aces had won................... Â Good luck to the Aces in their new home next year........... Â RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Take the two points off Newman's score on Monday, but also then take the 3 extra points Zagar was awarded for his GD ride, these joker rules have no place in league title deciders. Â Outcome, Poole won fairly & squarely by 1. Why take Zagar's extra 3 points off,everybody and their dog knows that the TD is in the rule book .Whether you a for or against the TD a rule wasn't broken in that instance. Edited October 1, 2015 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I, and others stated Kennett was stronger than North. Â The figures you have quoted prove that case. Â North had been 'bang out of form'. Again his recent performances had shown that. Â You were wrong. Move on. On dear. North had a 6.62 average start of September. By scoring 13 points over 2 legs he has achieved his average. A rider out of form wouldn't score to their average as you, and others suggested. So the theory is blown out the window. Move along, nothing else to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) On dear. North had a 6.62 average start of September. By scoring 13 points over 2 legs he has achieved his average. Can anyone spot the mistake ? oh dear indeed . Edited October 1, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 On dear. North had a 6.62 average start of September. By scoring 13 points over 2 legs he has achieved his average. A rider out of form wouldn't score to their average as you, and others suggested. So the theory is blown out the window. Move along, nothing else to see. He didn't achieve his average over the 2 legs in actual fact he was nearly a point lower.5.76 was his average over the 2 legs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 There must be some way that the usual conspiracy junkies can trace this back to Matt. Surely there couldn't have been a start to the decline of the standards in our league racing before he came along. Â Â I heard he drove past the stadium three weeks before the meeting or, if not him it was someone who once met him. Sounds convincing to me. Â It was Tim Sugar who put the appeal in about Peter Ravn not being listed in the BV programme, Â I heard he'd been on holiday in Poole & Matt had trimmed his beard a couple of months before said meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 He didn't achieve his average over the 2 legs in actual fact he was nearly a point lower.5.76 was his average over the 2 legs 6.50. Not sure where u got 5.76 from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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