Tsunami Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 How wrong you are, yet again. There are many, many fans up and down the country who are mentioning it and are disgusted by it. Yet again, some folk fail to understand how the incompetence of these things does damage to the sport. All that was required was a statement from the SCB prior to the meeting. Even if they said the result from the 1st leg would not be changed, that would have been it. As it is, they chose to be incompetent and leave the door open for allegations once again. It's a complete shame as it was a fantastic final and displayed everything that is good about speedway. Congratulations to Poole on their success. I've really grown to like Magic Janowski and he stepped up to the plate again last night.. however without a doubt the big hero was Kacper Gomolski.. someone who a 'few' Poole fans wanted out some time ago.. 1pt from his first two rides, then came out and won his next two. Those were the rides that effectively won Poole the meeting. A typical uneducated blind response that so many who have been involved in the sport come out with. Total lack of understanding, total lack of respect for the speedway fan. THIS is the kind of attitude that has helped the decline of the sport in this country. Woah Tiger. Get over it. If a review of the decision had to be made it would have been made, but it wasn't. Move on, nothing to see here just the usual rantees, including yourself again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ABS Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would appear that the most moaning about the result is coming from everybody but us Aces fans. Proud of how we performed in the play-offs, great to see decent crowd levels - Roll on 2016. If, as they say, luck evens itself up, maybe it will be our turn next season. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 How wrong you are, yet again. There are many, many fans up and down the country who are mentioning it and are disgusted by it. Yet again, some folk fail to understand how the incompetence of these things does damage to the sport. All that was required was a statement from the SCB prior to the meeting. Even if they said the result from the 1st leg would not be changed, that would have been it. As it is, they chose to be incompetent and leave the door open for allegations once again. It's a complete shame as it was a fantastic final and displayed everything that is good about speedway. . Dead right. There is an old but very true saying that goes "slow justice is no justice". The longer these sorts of decisions are left hanging in the air, especially the simple ones, the less chance there is of people accepting them as fair, even if they are. I am not one of those who criticise the sports governing body at every turn but the dilatory decision making process does a lot of damage to the sport. Special congratulations to Craig Cook. He has been knocking at the door for so long, and written off as a "nearly man" so many times that it's good to see him finally make the break through to be the best rider over two legs and certainly the one that kept Belle Vue in the fight.. Hope to see him continue to kick on next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'll be honest, I feel a little sorry for Poole. One of their riders made a mistake. It happens but normally when a mistake is made it's sorted out by the referee, the referee messed up so BV appealed. The mupets at the SCB failed to act. This now leave a huge question mark over the result. Poole didn't cheat but on of their riders did make a mistake that the rulebook says should be punished. So well done to the SCB on leaving a sour taste in Poole win. Well done for not acting. All it took was a quick meeting yesterday morning to make a decision and announce it! Now whatever they decide is going to be "wrong". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Woah Tiger. Get over it. If a review of the decision had to be made it would have been made, but it wasn't. Move on, nothing to see here just the usual rantees, including yourself again. Again, the attitude that has caused hundreds of fans to walk away from the sport. It isn't just the 'usual rantees'. That's what you and your cohorts have been telling yourself for the last 15 years or so as crowds continue to abandon the sport. The situation was very simple, the SCB or BSPA or whomever in authority simply announces that either they have reviewed it and no action is to be taken or that it is not something that is up for review. It would take about 2 mins of their time and the sports fans understand the situation. Is that so hard to understand? Communication, that is all that is required.. a basic requirement for any successful business! Little wonder that speedway is not on the whole successful! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Would appear that the most moaning about the result is coming from everybody but us Aces fans. Proud of how we performed in the play-offs, great to see decent crowd levels - Roll on 2016. If, as they say, luck evens itself up, maybe it will be our turn next season. Spot on Tony. The Aces did themselves proud over the two legs. Too much is being made of the goggles thing, the ref missed it and that should be that, it doesn't detract from Poole's win in the slightest. It was a mistake that happened, no cheating in the slightest. The SCB should just have confirmed that on Tuesday morning. Even as an Aces fan you have to be honest and say sometimes you just get beat by the better team, and over the two legs, the whole season in fact, it is hard to argue that Poole weren't better than us. if any Ace deserves special mention though it is Craig Cook, what a performance over the two legs and for sure he looked like he had some mega pride in the Aces bib, massive well done to Cookie Hopefully this can be the springboard to big things in the new stadium 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Spot on Tony. The Aces did themselves proud over the two legs. Too much is being made of the goggles thing, the ref missed it and that should be that, it doesn't detract from Poole's win in the slightest. It was a mistake that happened, no cheating in the slightest. The SCB should just have confirmed that on Tuesday morning. Even as an Aces fan you have to be honest and say sometimes you just get beat by the better team, and over the two legs, the whole season in fact, it is hard to argue that Poole weren't better than us. if any Ace deserves special mention though it is Craig Cook, what a performance over the two legs and for sure he looked like he had some mega pride in the Aces bib, massive well done to Cookie Hopefully this can be the springboard to big things in the new stadium Cookie was amazing! Wow. I also think a lot of credit should go to Mark Lemon. What a thoroughly decent bloke and totally professional he will prove to be a top choice for TM ... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'll be honest, I feel a little sorry for Poole. One of their riders made a mistake. It happens but normally when a mistake is made it's sorted out by the referee, the referee messed up so BV appealed. The mupets at the SCB failed to act. This now leave a huge question mark over the result. Poole didn't cheat but on of their riders did make a mistake that the rulebook says should be punished. So well done to the SCB on leaving a sour taste in Poole win. Well done for not acting. All it took was a quick meeting yesterday morning to make a decision and announce it! Now whatever they decide is going to be "wrong". There is a procedure for appeals as i have stated earlier, and it involves putting up a fee. BV didn't use that procedure, therefore there is really no case to reply too. The ref made a mistake, but that happens in all sports. The only thing activating criticism is that it was Poole, and it gives the usual rantees another go. Note they are not BV fans, who have been brilliant throughout their great journey, but the usuals from the Midland clubs. Get over ya selves. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Poole didn't cheat but on of their riders did make a mistake that the rulebook says should be punished. Where? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Cookie was amazing! Wow. I also think a lot of credit should go to Mark Lemon. What a thoroughly decent bloke and totally professional he will prove to be a top choice for TM ... Makes the guy at Brandon look a bit second rate . Mark Lemon = Top Man Edited October 1, 2015 by Dave Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Kyle Newman throwing his goggles into the Aces fans was in response to some good natured stick from us Aces fans heading down to Poole on the coach. You'll see from the photos from the coach on Twitter that the Aces fans were having the craic with him over "Gogglegate" & were more than happy with their "present" on the way back north. Thanks Kyle, great sense of humour, all the best for 2016 & onwards! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) There is a procedure for appeals as i have stated earlier, and it involves putting up a fee. BV didn't use that procedure, therefore there is really no case to reply too. The ref made a mistake, but that happens in all sports. The only thing activating criticism is that it was Poole, and it gives the usual rantees another go. Note they are not BV fans, who have been brilliant throughout their great journey, but the usuals from the Midland clubs. Get over ya selves. The procedure is to appeal to the referee after the heat and then appealing in writing within 24 hours. Lemon has said on twitter he appealed to the referee and BV stated on their website they have appealed to the SCB. They have followed the procedure. Where? The rule states says, "goggles must be worn" and the rule that says riders must be "ready to race" within the 2 minute time allowance. Edited October 1, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Makes the guy at Brandon look a bit second rate . Mark Lemon = Top Man No comment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 No comment! Unusual for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Poole may have won the title, but IMO BV are the real winners. Why? BV held Poole to a draw at Kirky Lane, coming back from many points behind. They go to Poole, who should now have the home advantage, and BV loose just by two, just two!. I can imagine what a confidence boost that is - losing by 2 overall to the team that was top of the league 2015, title holders for the previous two years, that should be a huge confidence boost in itself, but now they go to a new stadium, a stadium with a track designed for speedway (not determined by the shape of a dog track) by speedway rider(s), who know what a good track should be like i.e. Hyde Rd, Torun, Bydgoszh etc. Add to that, sounds like CCook had two meetings unlike any before. Don't forget he scored 7 in the GP at Cardiff, thats no mean acheivement at all. Maybe he had a well tuned engine and mind at Cardiff, and maybe done the same this week for the play offs. Whatever..... If I was Poole management, and the rest of the Elite teams, I would be very worried....... It all sounds like a promising future for Belle Vue in 2016, get that great name BELLE VUE back to where it belongs... at the top. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I want to point out 2 positives from the Sky coverage of the play-offs: 1) Exciting racing over 30 heats of the final and the semi-finals 2) Full stadiums - nice to see on the TV Whilst true that will not go anyway near to making up for the fact the previous six months were about watching select teams in almost empty stadiums, well done to Pirates and Aces for an entertaining final but lets not kid ourselves, our sport is in a shocking state and no matter how good the play off finals were it won't bring back the thousands in lost revenue the majority of tracks have suffered during the season because fans stopped going. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I'll be honest, I feel a little sorry for Poole. One of their riders made a mistake. It happens but normally when a mistake is made it's sorted out by the referee, the referee messed up so BV appealed. The mupets at the SCB failed to act. This now leave a huge question mark over the result. Poole didn't cheat but on of their riders did make a mistake that the rulebook says should be punished. So well done to the SCB on leaving a sour taste in Poole win. Well done for not acting. All it took was a quick meeting yesterday morning to make a decision and announce it! Now whatever they decide is going to be "wrong". Exactly this. Its not a Poole issue its a process issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 There is a procedure for appeals as i have stated earlier, and it involves putting up a fee. BV didn't use that procedure, therefore there is really no case to reply too. The ref made a mistake, but that happens in all sports. The only thing activating criticism is that it was Poole, and it gives the usual rantees another go. Note they are not BV fans, who have been brilliant throughout their great journey, but the usuals from the Midland clubs. Get over ya selves. This may very well be the case. All that would have been required is a simple statement from the SCB stating this. It's basic PR. This issue isn't just a BSF thing, which you seem keen to isolate it too. All over social media fans were up in arms about it, much of it of course due to past history with Poole. The SCB and the BSPA would have been fully aware of this, but it seems they haven't learnt from past lessons. A statement would have put most of it to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Both legs of the final made for great TV - think we all saw why Poole avoided Belle Vue in the semi final! Just for fun thought I'd check the averages for the final: Poole Holder 7.11 Watt 6.00 Gomolski 5.50 North 5.78 Janowski 7.11 Starke 7.11 Newman 10.00 Belle Vue Zagar 8.00 Fricke 5.00 Gracjonek 5.00 Nicholls 9.78 Cook 10.00 Worrall 3.00 Nielsen 3.00 So, the three best riders were British - who'd have thought Edited October 1, 2015 by SPEEDY69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Whilst true that will not go anyway near to making up for the fact the previous six months were about watching select teams in almost empty stadiums, well done to Pirates and Aces for an entertaining final but lets not kid ourselves, our sport is in a shocking state and no matter how good the play off finals were it won't bring back the thousands in lost revenue the majority of tracks have suffered during the season because fans stopped going.Have to agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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