Ace no.5 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) The two club mascots will line up at the start gate and run round the track for one lap. Matt Ford is currently in talks with Usain Bolt to replace the current Poole mascot just in case of this eventuality... Edited September 30, 2015 by Ace no.5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Spare a thought for Nige & Kelv - direct from the Friends Arena Stadium in Stockholm to the Manchester dog track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Newman's points should be removed. He should be blamed - there is no way he could have had his eyes open during that race and was a danger to everyone. Can't believe some people are treating this so lightly. Riding at 70mph into a cloud of shale with no eye protection is insane. But yes, the ref / start marshall in particular were disgraceful. It could have been a terrible advert for Speedway, ridiculous.  That said, Poole were incredibly lucky early on and did very well to keep it to a draw. So hats off to them but they will get it tougher on Wednesday. The only thing i disagree with is the word disgraceful directed towards the start Marshall. So much going on at the tapes and I forgive him for not being aware regarding the goggles immediately. You could argue the SM didn't have the luxury of the pictures on tv like we did zoomed in, but he had the best seat in the house right on the tapes. Especially as he was assisting Newman as well. When the exchange took place and Newman threw away his goggles, then the technicality took place. The blame firmly lies in the Grand Final at the referee in this instance. It's not something that should be taken lightly either especially if you're the Belle Vue club for instance. You can't ignore the error and dismiss something like this. I don't believe not having a review could be looked upon as not in the spirit of the sport. Speedway does have a method to look over this. It's something that should be addressed, yes I think so.  I officiated Ice Hockey for some TV games in the past, and the last thing the match allocator, players, fans and viewers want to see is a mistake occur where a hidden rule (as I call it) passes a referee by, to which it could have an affect on a game.  The difference is video replay. The referee at BV had a monitor right in front of him, and the fact it didn't get any response after Heat 12 is a bitter pill to swallow. Once the race is officially declared then it's tough bigger for the team on the opposite. In this case I feel if someone knew this rule as it happened from anywhere else in the stadium, he then should have been alerted straight after the red flags came out. Did I know the rule, unfortunately I did. That's not me being smart. I just stumbled across this rule through watching over time.  The likelihood that Poole with home track advantage, and racing for Darcy as well (will lose) is slim in my view, BUT nobody knows the mindset from BV other than win the meeting and put the Pirates under pressure early on.  I don't have a particular team in particular that I barrack for. Just love good entertaining Speedway. Edited September 30, 2015 by Undercover Elephant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) The two club mascots will line up at the start gate and run round the track for one lap. Â Ah but what about H&S, have they thought about that:-) Edited September 30, 2015 by ekimba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Be 8 o'clock start now then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I just love all the 'he broke a rule' brigade (which he did!!) and they then invent whatever penalty suits their argument. Â IMO, the fault lies as much with the 2 SCB officials - Referee and Start Marshall - who not only allowed the rider to race and break a rule but also allowed the race to finish and declare/announce the race result as well as the final meeting result. Â The rest is all ifs, buts and maybe's. The rider should be fined retrospectively just as BV have 'written to the SCB' retrospectively rather than officially protesting, with fee, on the night. Â One thing is for sure, BV's actions after the event have really got the Poole team going, so expect a humdinger of a meeting tonight!! Â Â #DoItForDarcy. :-) Edited September 30, 2015 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepsi Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Matt Ford is currently in talks with Usain Bolt to replace the current Poole mascot just in case of this eventuality... Not sure if track conditions suits Bolt... could easily be diskvalified for going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Â Â IMO, the fault lies as much with the 2 SCB officials - Referee and Start Marshall - who not only allowed the rider to race and break a rule but also allowed the race to finish and declare/announce the race result as well as the final meeting result. Â Â Â Â The start marshall was not at fault. It is not within his remit. The fault entirely rests with Graham Flint, the referee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Be 8 o'clock start now then?? I just love all the 'he broke a rule' brigade (which he did!!) and they then invent whatever penalty suits their argument. Â IMO, the fault lies as much with the 2 SCB officials - Referee and Start Marshall - who not only allowed the rider to race and break a rule but also allowed the race to finish and declare/announce the race result as well as the final meeting result. Â The rest is all ifs, buts and maybe's. The rider should be fined retrospectively just as BV have 'written to the SCB' retrospectively rather than officially protesting, with fee, on the night. Â One thing is for sure, BV's actions after the event have really got the Poole team going, so expect a humdinger of a meeting tonight!! Â Â #DoItForDarcy. :-) Wasn't Tony Steele in the pits? Surely he would have known! Edited September 30, 2015 by lisa-colette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) ?? Wasn't Tony Steele in the pits? Surely he would have known! Yes he was in the pits, but the 'spare' refs at televised meetings all have coordinating roles to assist the meeting to go smoothly. Doubt he would have been watching the monitor, and it is obvious Graham wasn't either. Sad that some go here are trying to lynch someone, when it is plain that a genuine mistake has been made. Edited September 30, 2015 by Tsunami 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Ah but what about H&S, have they thought about that:-) Not sure, and I do not know if one or other will be excluded if there is any tripping up or a punch up between them part of the way round the lap. Edited September 30, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Well things don't look good for Poole. Belle Vue cruised to an easy zero point lead on Monday making it virtually unthinkable that Poole will be able to claw it back. Â Sadly for the Aces fans, Monday will live long in the memory of all genuine speedway fans due to the unrelenting cheating by the home side. Â Firstly we had Worrall's pathetic attempt to get the race stopped in heat two, followed by Nielsen attempting to get Starke disqualified in the re run. Â Later we saw the Belle Vue start marshall physically wrestling Newman's goggles away from him on the start line in heat 12, in a desperate attempt to disadvantage the Poole man. Â Additionally, Crump was sent round to the Poole pits in a cynical attempt to bore them into submission. Â Then, finding themselves 13 points behind, the despicable Aces went out and actually rode well in order to get themselves back into the meeting. Â It really was a disgraceful show from Belle Vue and I suspect that most of the fans are absolutely ashamed of their club ahead of tonights formality. Â Fortunately, my club, the world famous Poole Pirates would never sink to such depths to win a meeting, and for that I am grateful. Â Anyway, I must dash, I've got to phone the travel agent and book my flight to Rome. Lmao ya loon I personally blame Ronnie Russell....after all everything is usually his fault at a live Sky meeting... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Yes he was in the pits, but the 'spare' refs at televised meetings all have coordinating roles to assist the meeting to go smoothly. Doubt he would have been watching the monitor, and it is obvious Graham wasn't either. Sad that some go here are trying to lynch someone, when it is plain that a genuine mistake has been made. But if Lemo is correct that he contacted the referee to tell him.... I get the referee could miss it, thats fair enough and easy enough but when he was informed.... Â Anyway, has anyone seen Drop a Cog? I'm worried he's had a heart attack due to the play-offs! Or has got lost in that big crowd on Monday?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Most and certainly I accept it was a mistake, not the fault of Poole or Belle Vue but the referee. None of that alters the position that a safety rule was broken and as a result the rider concerned should be excluded. That is not making anything up, he rode in contravention of the rules, therfore he rode illegally. Belle Vue have done exactly what Poole would have done if the roles were reversed. Â If that motivates Poole, as Skidder1 seems to think, then so be it but I would have thought they had particular reason at the moment to support anyone trying to ensure that safety is paramount. Edited September 30, 2015 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 What will happen tonight at the end of the meeting if Poole only win by 1 or 2 points and the result of any adjustment to the score of the first leg re the goggles issue has not been decided. Also if there is a points adjustment the first leg should be changed to 48 - 44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 He deserves his points as no advantage to racing, but should be fined for not adhering to rules He got an advantage because he should've been excluded for not wearing goggles! Â Its a bit like a footballer scoring with out his boots on as there was no advantage but the rules say he cant touch the ball without both boots on. Its the rules! ?? Wasn't Tony Steele in the pits? Surely he would have known! He was probably too busy looking for damp coming through the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheart Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 What will happen tonight at the end of the meeting if Poole only win by 1 or 2 points and the result of any adjustment to the score of the first leg re the goggles issue has not been decided. Also if there is a points adjustment the first leg should be changed to 48 - 44. Â Extremely unlikely. If Poole win by less than 10 I may hang up my pen, and programme board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Extremely unlikely. If Poole win by less than 10 I may hang up my pen, and programme board I think you've just motivated your two pet hates, Zagar and Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionheart Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think you've just motivated your two pet hates, Zagar and Cook. Â I have to hold my hands up there. Zagar, and Cook, were about the only bright stars on Monday night, apart from Scottie, of course. Â I don't hate Zagar and Cook. I just have doubts about Zagar's dedication to the task, and Cook's ability anywhere except Kirky Lane. In Zagars case, a real number 1 is not happy to coast around at the back when he has missed the gate, and I cannot forget the disgraceful episode at Beaumont Park. I know Zagar has real talent, but how any real BV fan can excuse his actions I cannot imagine. In Cookie's case I think he has just stayed in the PL too long, although I realise that, financially it must be just about impossible to balance the books on EL earnings. Sadly, too often CC has failed to come to the plate when the Aces needed it. TBF he is not an EL heat leader, but he has been expected to do the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Surely the SCB have got to make a decision today? Â If they don't make a statement today it's going to look like they waited to make sure Poole won by more than 4 points before reaching a decision. Â Seems quite clear to me. Newman wasn't ready to race at the expiry of the 2 minute allowance as he wasn't wearing goggles, so he must be disqualified. The 2 points he scored in the race should be removed and the score becomes 46-44. Â I don't blame the referee for missing the fact that a rider went out without goggles. It's not that easy to see from a distance. BUt why didn't he review TV evidence and make a decision? He used TV replays before excluding Nicholls for tape touching, and before excluding Cook in the first bend bunching incident. Why didn't he use a replay to review gogglegate? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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