damosuzuki Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm still on about the goggles.... the start marshall may not have to know the rules but they should be given a list of safety items to check. Helmet, goggles, no concealed weapons (lets face it, this was Manchester) and should have to make a specific sign to the ref above that it's all in place. In all honesty, speedway is dangerous enough without this kind of incident. Blame aside just make sure it can't happen again. Still looking forward to Wednesday, it will be a massive event again, and what a week for Speedway UK - huge premier league cup final, then this. I will enjoy it for what it is. Good times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Thats a big shame the track walk for Darcy didn't take place. But nothing suprises me with H/S nowadays. Perhaps the stadium management will chuck a couple of grand in the pot for the Darcy fund. But like you say The idiotic woman who is stadium manager should bow her head in shame being so spiteful when the walk was to aid a stricken rider, this highlights just what the speedway have had to contend with having the GRA as landlords. Even for them this was a new low. I wondered if it was because Sky needed to remove all their equipment and by doing so could cause the H & S issue. I recall Lynn were prevented from doing a victory parade because Sky needed to remove their stuff and as I assume with the 48 hour turn round they have for Weds, Sky could/would not postpone for say an hour. Also their cables could be deemed a trip hazard. Supid I know but so is so much of the compensation culture and resulting H & S stuff that's about nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Here we go again...................anyone who actually watched what was going on could clearly see that Kyle had a problem with his goggles.............the start marshall tried to help him but could not..............the alternative was to go back to the pits and be excluded for two minutes as I believe he could not be brought a pair of goggles to the start line as that is also against the rules I believe.........no outside assistance when at the tapes................... Oh but then again it is Poole and everyone will conveniently forget about Worrall staying down in heat two when he could have cleared the track............ RP he broke the rules and got away with it, he also broke the rules and got away with being foolish, another day and both could of been different outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 It happening again. Poole fans defending rule breaking? Why not just say, "you know what, he did break the rules. I doubt he meant to, he was just being foolhardy/brave and that's why we love him. But I can see he broke the rules". If Poole fans cannot accept this clear cut breaking of rules then we have no hope of reasonable discussion with them at other times. Nobody is saying Poole are cheats for this, nobody is saying they should be excessively punished but what some of us are saying is that it's not fair on BV. Poole broke the rules and have potentially gotten away with it. Even if the BSPA/SCB amend the result they'll only take away Kyles 2 points, they won't give the 2 points to BV (how stupid is that rule? and I DONT blame Poole for this). There also the fact that had he ben excluded Middlo would have put him off 15 metres and who knows what may have happened. Still possibly a 5-1, but with Starke off a different gate it's not impossible that BV could have got a 5-1. By not knowing the rules/noticing the referees has messed this up for BV. It's ok saying "who can know all the rules" - well a referee?! And TBH, theres not that many racing rules. So in short, I have no issue with Poole, I actually have huge respect for Kyle for doing in really. But it's wrong, the race should not have started and Kyle should have been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Here we go again...................anyone who actually watched what was going on could clearly see that Kyle had a problem with his goggles.............the start marshall tried to help him but could not..............the alternative was to go back to the pits and be excluded for two minutes as I believe he could not be brought a pair of goggles to the start line as that is also against the rules I believe.........no outside assistance when at the tapes................... Oh but then again it is Poole and everyone will conveniently forget about Worrall staying down in heat two when he could have cleared the track............ RP ? what has got to do with Poole ..no matter who Newman rides for you not allowed to ride without Goggles . if that meant he was excluded for 2 mins then so be it ..who rides for and how he had no Goggles does not matter. It's no wonder Poole get flax when you even try are to defend this . Edited September 29, 2015 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) ? what has got to with Poole ..no matter who Newman rides for you not allowed to ride without Goggles . if that meant he was excluded for 2 mins then so be it ..who rides for and how he had no Goggles does not matter. It's no wonder Poole get flax when you even try are to defend this . The start marshall should have the responsibility of waiving the rider away from the start line or pointing out the no goggle issue to the ref so that the race is not started. If that results in being excluded under the two min rule, well that what happens if the rider is not ready to race. Edited September 29, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 The start marshall should have the responsibility of waiving the rider away from the start line or pointing out the no goggle issue to the ref so that the race is not started. If that results in being excluded under the two min rule, well that what happens if the rider is not ready to race. TBF, it's not the start marshals job to know the rules other than those that effect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 The start marshall should have the responsibility of waiving the rider away from the start line or pointing out the no goggle issue to the ref so that the race is not started. If that results in being excluded under the two min rule, well that what happens if the rider is not ready to race. That what I said ...it's up to Newman to be ready to race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 The start marshall should have the responsibility of waiving the rider away from the start line or pointing out the no goggle issue to the ref so that the race is not started. If that results in being excluded under the two min rule, well that what happens if the rider is not ready to race. SCB is correct, I've been anal enough to check the rules re Start Marshalls and they do not have any obligation to ensure riders are correctly equipped except to ensure cut outs are in place rule 14.12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 SCB is correct, I've been anal enough to check the rules re Start Marshalls and they do not have any obligation to ensure riders are correctly equipped except to ensure cut outs are in place rule 14.12. Another case of a lack of a sensible rule, if the ref cannot see if the rider has goggles it should be down to the start marshall to point it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Wow excuse me, the amount of defense used in you're post suggests that you maybe the next Bobby Moore. This is why I stay on the Years Gone By thread which seems to be child free unlike this thread which as we can see from this post. Unless a rider has been dangerous, I didn't think riders get booed all night constantly which either shows the people who agree to do it are either children or thugs. I have yet to decide which of those you are but I could probably hazard a guess that your Super Mario isn't keeping you occupied enough. Yes, seems the 'Years gone by' thread is by far the best placed for you. Every single other poster has commented how fantastic it was to see and hear such a great atmosphere at a speedway meeting. Cheering and booing is what it is all about. It's a play-off final, it's tense, you are desperate for your team to win. It does not make you a child, nor a thug, just a passionate fan.. something of which the sport desperately needs more of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 It happening again. Poole fans defending rule breaking? Why not just say, "you know what, he did break the rules. I doubt he meant to, he was just being foolhardy/brave and that's why we love him. But I can see he broke the rules". If Poole fans cannot accept this clear cut breaking of rules then we have no hope of reasonable discussion with them at other times. Nobody is saying Poole are cheats for this, nobody is saying they should be excessively punished but what some of us are saying is that it's not fair on BV. Poole broke the rules and have potentially gotten away with it. Even if the BSPA/SCB amend the result they'll only take away Kyles 2 points, they won't give the 2 points to BV (how stupid is that rule? and I DONT blame Poole for this). There also the fact that had he ben excluded Middlo would have put him off 15 metres and who knows what may have happened. Still possibly a 5-1, but with Starke off a different gate it's not impossible that BV could have got a 5-1. By not knowing the rules/noticing the referees has messed this up for BV. It's ok saying "who can know all the rules" - well a referee?! And TBH, theres not that many racing rules. So in short, I have no issue with Poole, I actually have huge respect for Kyle for doing in really. But it's wrong, the race should not have started and Kyle should have been excluded. Entirely agree with you, he should have been excluded but apparently the rules don't allow the result to be changed, i can't see how that is possible, loads of meetings have had their scores adjusted although in this case it could be argued that Newman was so good on the night he could have won from 15 metres had he not had to ride with shale being thrown in his face! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) I agree but I do not agree they deserve booing through a meeting from start to finish. Even the most memorable rivalries of Cradley Heath and Wolves were never as bad as that and Poole and Belle Vue are not even rivals. Sorry but do not agree with it. Also, please don't lie to try and prove a point, it only makes your post look more foolish. Cradley/Wolves meetings were FULL of booing the opposition. Last night was tame in comparison. Edited September 29, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 was peter Collins putting riders at risk when he completed a race with a broken handlebar? or when riders lose a steel shoe? Only if it was in the rulebook! Here we go again...................anyone who actually watched what was going on could clearly see that Kyle had a problem with his goggles.............the start marshall tried to help him but could not..............the alternative was to go back to the pits and be excluded for two minutes as I believe he could not be brought a pair of goggles to the start line as that is also against the rules I believe.........no outside assistance when at the tapes................... Oh but then again it is Poole and everyone will conveniently forget about Worrall staying down in heat two when he could have cleared the track............ RP RP, it's in the rule book so it's nothing against having a go at Poole. I believe Poole will have the 2 points removed before Wednesday, and rightly so. That's the same if it was the Aces or any other team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Do we know if BV have tried to put a protest in? If they haven't even tried, then definitely won't get changed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Why aren't referees at all tracks in radio contact with the Start Marshalls?? They are at Poole and I thought it was a requirement everywhere?! Obviously not!! Poole setting the standard again?! (In Lemo's own words -'Poole are the benchmark'). Hopefully they will have that sorted at the new stadium. Is the second or 3rd BV coach for Wednesday now filled after Poole allowed the score to get closer? Business is business after all!!! Anyway well done to both teams and lets hope Poole put in a similar performance to the semi-final win v Coventry and the 53-40 win against BV's full 1-7 last month. Kacper has lost a lot of skin 'at the top of his leg', so hopefully will be repaired - along with his machinery - for Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Only if it was in the rulebook! RP, it's in the rule book so it's nothing against having a go at Poole. I believe Poole will have the 2 points removed before Wednesday, and rightly so. That's the same if it was the Aces or any other team. I don't deny its in the rule book..............all I am saying is that if the start marshall and the referee did not do anything about it how can they change things at this stage............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I don't deny its in the rule book..............all I am saying is that if the start marshall and the referee did not do anything about it how can they change things at this stage............. RP But if we're throwing "hows, whats and whys" around. How is it fair that just because a referee is inept that BV should lose out? While it's entirely possibly that Kyle could have come from 15 metres, he was the one who was in the wrong so should on balance be the one who loses out, not the 100% innocent BV. As I said above, the issue here is the referee has balls-up, he is the one I have an issue with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I don't deny its in the rule book..............all I am saying is that if the start marshall and the referee did not do anything about it how can they change things at this stage............. RP It can and it should. Lots of results have been changed due to a rule break after the meeting. Assuming belle vue complained then there is no reason why the result won't be amended before the 2nd leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Also, please don't lie to try and prove a point, it only makes your post look more foolish. Cradley/Wolves meetings were FULL of booing the opposition. Last night was tame in comparison. Not when I went. The odd riders and dirty riding perhaps but not the whole meeting and besides noone has spoken about the fantastic atmosphere. Not exactly Wembley if you ask me. And how would you know what the rivalry was like back then. I bet I was watching speedway before you grandfather and grandmother replaced the Bible with the Kama Sutra in their bedside table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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