Game On Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 More truth in them than what you spout. Dispute what I have said then with facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 The only person not on the same planet is you, if others are on the same planet as you i feel extreamly sorry for them. I don't bow down to anybody on here, and thats what you don't like. Yes you are just that a You are not a Speedway fan, you are just an internet forum troll who happened to pick up and jump on the Poole hate bandwagon. The sooner you are permanantely banned or leave the better this forum would be. But you are clearly disputing that, but now you know perhaps you can give it a rest. ok please take the time to read what people post about you on every thread not just the Poole ones, it may enlighten you. Your own fans think your a wally as well but you obviously quite enjoy the limelight. all ive done is praise Poole this season up until this latest episode. Take a look back over the thread and see when ive slagged off Poole because i havent. Take a look at the Coventry v Poole thread from earlier in the season when i said the blame laid solely with Coventry and said it had nothing to do with Poole! You are not a troll your simply just short of intellect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) 1, According to the press release it was Dak's mother who initially advised him to stay then later, his father. 2, He did continue to ride in the first leg however due to the stressful family circumstances, he felt he was unable to continue. 3, I would assume he was given a medical certificate for compassionate leave for the above reasons. 4, He was asked to play golf by his friend Davey Watt in order to take his mind off ongoing family events which personally, I think is a positive thing to do rather than sitting around dwelling on his fathers 12 hour operation. ( Not 18) A simple set of circumstances blown out of all proportion by people assuming Matt Ford manipulated the whole situation. Sure in the past the Poole management have made some moves that have personally left me angry and quite rightly left themselves open to criticism and I can understand a certain amount of suspicion even some banter! However some people have steeped well over the line so please consider laying off Dak now because all this talk of conspiracies etc is just insulting towards him and his family. To-date, that's my own opinion, and I will not make any further comment until we see what transpires from Poole Speedway announcements. Best wishes to Dak's father. The thing is most of what you say holds water except there is only one person that needed a sick note and that was Matt ford not DAK Edited September 25, 2015 by Game On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 See Coventry fans are still chewing wasps. Seriously!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 See Coventry fans are still chewing wasps. Seriously!!!!! Nothing else to do until Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 See Coventry fans are still chewing wasps. Seriously!!!!! They will still be going on about it in March! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 But he did continue to ride - and clearly wasn't in the right frame of mind and told his manager after his 3rd '0', sought medical advice, got a medical certificate and was replaced within the rules by a guest with a lower average. no: How do you know the reason why his performance at Coventry was poor ? A couple of weeks earlier he rode at Lakeside and all he mbeat was an NL rider and a PL reserve. That was before his father was injured. On his previous visit tto Lakeside he scored Exc, 3,3,R. Therefore the scores suggest he was running into a spell of poor form. Of course the scores never tell the whole story, I accept that but as we all know when a rider hits bad form he looks for reasons and the reasons in his mind are not necessarily the actual reasons, not just with Dak but with every rider until they work through it. He was replaced by Ed Kennett who had spent almost the whole season as a Heatleader whose average had temporarily dropped as they all do in the present format , but at the time he replaced North w as scoring well again for Lakeside and had been banging in 15 and 18 point maximums for Rye House so there is no way he can be said to be an inferior rider at the time he guested at Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) 1, According to the press release it was Dak's mother who initially advised him to stay then later, his father. 2, He did continue to ride in the first leg however due to the stressful family circumstances, he felt he was unable to continue. 3, I would assume he was given a medical certificate for compassionate leave for the above reasons. 4, He was asked to play golf by his friend Davey Watt in order to take his mind off ongoing family events which personally, I think is a positive thing to do rather than sitting around dwelling on his fathers 12 hour operation. ( Not 18) A simple set of circumstances blown out of all proportion by people assuming Matt Ford manipulated the whole situation. Sure in the past the Poole management have made some moves that have personally left me angry and quite rightly left themselves open to criticism and I can understand a certain amount of suspicion even some banter! However some people have steeped well over the line so please consider laying off Dak now because all this talk of conspiracies etc is just insulting towards him and his family. I sincerely hope Dak's mental health and confidence will improve enough for him to ride in the two legs of the final and as always, may the best team win. To-date, that's my own opinion, and I will not make any further comment until we see what transpires from Poole Speedway announcements. Best wishes to Dak's father. In answer to the 4 points you bring up. 1. Not worried who told him stay its irrelevent. 2. Ok so his dad may have been on his mind, if that was the case he should have told the club rather than ride and risk others. He was pulled out of his last ride by a rider in better form in Newman. 3. Medical certificates are not issued for compassionate leave.......stress yes. 4. I have no issue with him playing golf. On the morning of my dads funeral i played a few frames of snooker. I do not believe Matt Ford maniupulated the situation. What i do believe is that it became an easy way to replace an out of form rider with a better rider. The issue is that if he was granted compassionate leave Poole would not have got a guest so a medical note pops up which means guest can be used. Do you think (and still not one Poole fan has answered this) that if it was Janowskis relative that Ford would have let him not ride? I believe Magic would have been persuaded to. It just so happens the rider it happened to wasnt in form. There are some scenarios coming up to the final. Dakotas dad (and yes we hope he gets better) has had a bad injury but isnt life threatening so basically North is over the initial 'shock' of what happened. So it seems that there is no immediate need for North to fly home This means that he now should ride in the final, there isnt really a reason for him not to. He goes well at Belle Vue so if he rides there and then all of a sudden isnt in 'the right frame of mind' to do the second leg then that is blatant cheating. Do you agree? I have no issue if North is replaced in BOTH legs and Gomolski rides at Belle Vue. I feel i have sent a reasoned response so please keep Starman on his leash! Edited September 25, 2015 by Gavan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 How do you know the reason why his performance at Coventry was poor ? A couple of weeks earlier he rode at Lakeside and all he mbeat was an NL rider and a PL reserve. That was before his father was injured. On his previous visit tto Lakeside he scored Exc, 3,3,R. Therefore the scores suggest he was running into a spell of poor form. Of course the scores never tell the whole story, I accept that but as we all know when a rider hits bad form he looks for reasons and the reasons in his mind are not necessarily the actual reasons, not just with Dak but with every rider until they work through it. He was replaced by Ed Kennett who had spent almost the whole season as a Heatleader whose average had temporarily dropped as they all do in the present format , but at the time he replaced North w as scoring well again for Lakeside and had been banging in 15 and 18 point maximums for Rye House so there is no way he can be said to be an inferior rider at the time he guested at Poole. Does it matter, NO. Guests quite often outscore a replaced rider, whether they are guesting for Poole or not. General I find the continual chase in this matter truly distasteful, and shows a few posters on here in a very bad and derange light. Even when extra info is brought out, the centre of interrogation just goes down the line just to challenge another point, as they are determined to try to spot something that they latch their jaws on to satisfy their obsessive hatred of Poole. Can I suggest, to save their faces, that these types wait down the line, and find out what really has happened, and we will then all know from FACTS, whether the doubting and interrogations have been justified. It's what would happen with other teams I am sure. If it's because it is Poole, well winners usually do attract this approach, but unless there are facts that support the doubting, you are all just making fools of yourselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 They will still be going on about it in March! March 2018 !!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Does it matter, NO. Guests quite often outscore a replaced rider, whether they are guesting for Poole or not. General I find the continual chase in this matter truly distasteful, and shows a few posters on here in a very bad and derange light. Even when extra info is brought out, the centre of interrogation just goes down the line just to challenge another point, as they are determined to try to spot something that they latch their jaws on to satisfy their obsessive hatred of Poole. Can I suggest, to save their faces, that these types wait down the line, and find out what really has happened, and we will then all know from FACTS, whether the doubting and interrogations have been justified. It's what would happen with other teams I am sure. If it's because it is Poole, well winners usually do attract this approach, but unless there are facts that support the doubting, you are all just making fools of yourselves. As has been explained numerous times, North is an unfortunate victim of Ford reaping what he has sowed. The comments on here are mild compared to the many I have seen across social media from fans across a whole spectrum of clubs. It seems many in speedway are still totally oblivious to the effect all this manipulation has on the average supporter up and down the country and the amount of people it has caused to simply abandon the sport. In this particular case it is highly likely Poole have done nothing wrong, unfortunately for them it has happened to many times now for many to accept... wrong as that may be. Edited September 25, 2015 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 What a sad state of affairs when one almost hopes that the lads father is injured than to believe that even Ford could stoop so low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) What a sad state of affairs when one almost hopes that the lads father is injured than to believe that even Ford could stoop so low. He doesn't need to stoop so low, as you put it. As someone else already pointed out earlier, Matt could have got a sick note, and therefore a guest, for Dak having depression, have sickness, have dizzy spells,...............etc, the same way as others do. That's why this sounds very plausible and likely. Edited September 25, 2015 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Does it matter, NO. Guests quite often outscore a replaced rider, whether they are guesting for Poole or not. General I find the continual chase in this matter truly distasteful, and shows a few posters on here in a very bad and derange light. Even when extra info is brought out, the centre of interrogation just goes down the line just to challenge another point, as they are determined to try to spot something that they latch their jaws on to satisfy their obsessive hatred of Poole. Can I suggest, to save their faces, that these types wait down the line, and find out what really has happened, and we will then all know from FACTS, whether the doubting and interrogations have been justified. It's what would happen with other teams I am sure. If it's because it is Poole, well winners usually do attract this approach, but unless there are facts that support the doubting, you are all just making fools of yourselves. That cuts both ways Tsunami . Severall Poole posters have been stretching the flimsiest of arguments to justify the situation. It all boils down to two basic points .The first, as has been said several times already is that Ford has such a poor reputation amongst fans because of his past record that people are now understandably suspicious of his every move. Certain questions are bound to be left hanging in the air, and the more a handful from Poole try to justify it the more others will voice the same suspicions. . Some including yourself have been quite offensive. The second point is I don't think anyone is a Poole hater. They are simply suspicious of Ford and his sidekick Middleditch based on past record..fans in general are loyal to their own clubs and don't begrudge other clubs success when achieved fairly . There is rarely a large groundswell of resentment towards whichever clubs win the play off except Poole and that is down to the attitude of its promoter, the stupid comments of its team manager on social media, and some of the garbage people like Starman post. There is no equivalent in any other club because there is no promotional equivalent of Ford, no team manager rants off the way Middleditch does , and nobody else posts the sort of self righteous stuff that Sarman and a few others post. It he best thing the Poole posters can do is to stop their attempts to justify things, and I doubt that anyone else wil pursue the matter until more is known but by constantly banging on they won't change anyone's mind, only make matters worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 He doesn't need to stoop so low, as you put it. As someone else already pointed out earlier, Matt could have got a sick note, and therefore a guest, for Dak having depression, have sickness, have dizzy spells,...............etc, the same way as others do. That's why this sounds very plausible and likely. Your wasting your time mate, these Poole haters are as thick as two short planks. It doesn't matter what you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 The irony of starman never fails to please . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Your wasting your time mate, these Poole haters are as thick as two short planks. It doesn't matter what you say. I think that post pretty much proves my point. Unable to deal with the merits of the discussion he can only call other people thick. A certain irony there perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I think that post pretty much proves my point. Unable to deal with the merits of the discussion he can only call other people thick. A certain irony there perhaps. No the thing is even when the truth is told you still fail to grasp it. And the likelyhood is you won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 That cuts both ways Tsunami . Severall Poole posters have been stretching the flimsiest of arguments to justify the situation. It all boils down to two basic points .The first, as has been said several times already is that Ford has such a poor reputation amongst fans because of his past record that people are now understandably suspicious of his every move. Certain questions are bound to be left hanging in the air, and the more a handful from Poole try to justify it the more others will voice the same suspicions. . Some including yourself have been quite offensive. The second point is I don't think anyone is a Poole hater. They are simply suspicious of Ford and his sidekick Middleditch based on past record..fans in general are loyal to their own clubs and don't begrudge other clubs success when achieved fairly . There is rarely a large groundswell of resentment towards whichever clubs win the play off except Poole and that is down to the attitude of its promoter, the stupid comments of its team manager on social media, and some of the garbage people like Starman post. There is no equivalent in any other club because there is no promotional equivalent of Ford, no team manager rants off the way Middleditch does , and nobody else posts the sort of self righteous stuff that Sarman and a few others post. It he best thing the Poole posters can do is to stop their attempts to justify things, and I doubt that anyone else wil pursue the matter until more is known but by constantly banging on they won't change anyone's mind, only make matters worse. Trouble is if people attack your club, your natural instinct is to defend it. If people stop attacking there is no need to defend, so it works both ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Trouble is if people attack your club, your natural instinct is to defend it. If people stop attacking there is no need to defend, so it works both ways. And if Ford didn't pull all of his strokes there wouldn't be the high number of "attacks". 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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