E I Addio Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Is that a serious question..?? It is a perfectly civil and simple question which you seem singularly unwilling to answer, just as Red Panda seems unable and unwilling to answer an equally civil and simple question' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Not shortsighted at all mate. Its sport and you look after your own. Again we cannot run other clubs affairs for them.But you could try to stop cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Is that a serious question..?? Yes I do comprehend that, however on this occasion there has been no rule breaking, bending or manipulating. Dak was replaced by a lower average rider so there was no guarantee that Eddie would score more. In addition he's not even riding in the EL full time this year so on face value we replaced an EL heat leader with a PL heat leader. So again, where's the cheating? In fact I challenge anyone to explain and provide evidence on how Poole 'cheated' on this occasion. Good luck! Eddie Kennett has been in the El for years and also rode this year for Lakeside in it this year ...In reckon weeks North has been out of the form in fact he found it hard score a point ...So nearly everyone in the world speedway knew Kennett was likely to score more than North ... the cheating would be the same as it has always been get a rider to miss a match to replace him with a better rider.. a art form Poole are masters at . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Not shortsighted at all mate. Its sport and you look after your own. Again we cannot run other clubs affairs for them. Copied from the online dictionary definition of sport :- "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment" Nothing there about looking after your own. The operative word is entertainment. When it become win at all costs and don't care how you do it, then it ceases to become entertainment. Declining crowds are proof of that fact, Ford is not the whole problem, it goes much wider than that but he is quite a serious spanner in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 But you could try to stop cheating We don't cheat.. Copied from the online dictionary definition of sport :- "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment" Nothing there about looking after your own. The operative word is entertainment. When it become win at all costs and don't care how you do it, then it ceases to become entertainment. Declining crowds are proof of that fact, Ford is not the whole problem, it goes much wider than that but he is quite a serious spanner in the works. There you go, you've learn't something tonight. Declining crowds, not at Poole. Other clubs could really learn from us. We give, Entertainment.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It is a perfectly civil and simple question which you seem singularly unwilling to answer, just as Red Panda seems unable and unwilling to answer an equally civil and simple question' I worry for you if you don't know who the forum idiots (i.e. those that spend their time constantly ridiculing, panning, slating and hammering) Poole are. Eddie Kennett has been in the El for years and also rode this year for Lakeside in it this year ...In reckon weeks North has been out of the form in fact he found it hard score a point ...So nearly everyone in the world speedway knew Kennett was likely to score more than North ... the cheating would be the same as it has always been get a rider to miss a match to replace him with a better rider.. a art form Poole are masters at . Complete nonsense from start to finish. In fact I challenge anyone to explain and provide evidence on how Poole 'cheated' on this occasion. Good luck! I notice that nobody has taken the challenge as of yet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 The thing is I admire Matt Ford for the success he has achieved for Poole but then there is the other side of the coin which at the very least tarnishes the reputation of your club. What about your own reputation of spouting lies and not being able to man up and admit you were wrong, despite the fact you have not tried to backup proving YOUR accusations. Guess you're just not man enough. Game Over for you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I worry for you if you don't know who the forum idiots (i.e. those that spend their time constantly ridiculing, panning, slating and hammering) Poole are. Complete nonsense from start to finish. I notice that nobody has taken the challenge as of yet Why is it nonsense ? have a survey on here or who was likely to have scored more in the form they are at the moment ...Kennett would have been picked by nearly everyone ...the point is showed by the uproar in the first place otherwise we would not be having this debate . The challenge have already been taken ...Poole get riders to miss meetings to get stronger riders in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 This could happen in the final. North flies around Belle Vue and Gomolski hates the place. Let's hope Poole track their original 1-7 and if North rides at Belle Vue then he has to ride the home leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 This could happen in the final. North flies around Belle Vue and Gomolski hates the place. Let's hope Poole track their original 1-7 and if North rides at Belle Vue then he has to ride the home legLets hope both teams track their original team and we get a fair final, will Zagar aggravate his injury in the gp without having a fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 This could happen in the final. North flies around Belle Vue and Gomolski hates the place. Let's hope Poole track their original 1-7 and if North rides at Belle Vue then he has to ride the home leg I hope we do too as it's the right thing to do assuming North is mentally right. The challenge have already been taken ...Poole get riders to miss meetings to get stronger riders in No it hasn't. Nobody has provided any evidence of Poole cheating on this occasion, and that includes yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Is it so difficult to grasp that many believe, including some of their own fans, that Poole have a history of using, shall we say, dubious tactics. Is it then a surprise that when an out of form rider is replaced by a guest, who most believed would score more, that people are suspicious and likely to believe the worst. It's human nature. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Lets hope both teams track their original team and we get a fair final, will Zagar aggravate his injury in the gp without having a fall. Not sure why all this nastiness by people towards Zagar. He was in hospital (Fact) and is still having blood drained from his hip/groin (fact) I'm sure Belle Vue would love to have him on Monday but it's more important that he heals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Not sure why all this nastiness by people towards Zagar. He was in hospital (Fact) and is still having blood drained from his hip/groin (fact) I'm sure Belle Vue would love to have him on Monday but it's more important that he heals. I read that he has been a bloody drain on Belle Vue's resources for a couple of years now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) I read that he has been a bloody drain on Belle Vue's resources for a couple of years now. I worry for you if you don't know who the forum idiots (i.e. those that spend their time constantly ridiculing, panning, slating and hammering) Poole are I am not asking you to worry for me I am simply asking you for the forth time to name the names of those who in your opinion are the forum idiots. To put it another way round, I would say the idiots are those who make extravagant claims then duck and dive instead of giving a straight answer when challenged, which is what you are starting to do now. Idiocy is not ,I limited to those outside Poole. Red Panda made a complete idiot of herself before she suddenly went quiet, and I think most would agree that Starman is where the buses don't run.. I notice that nobody has taken the challenge as of yet As said before, the issue is that Ford has such a disreputable history that we have reached the point that nobody believes a word he says. I doubt that I that anybody could specifically prove he was cheating on this occasion but I doubt that anybody could prove he has not manipulated the situation either. It is just yet another distasteful event with. Ford at the bottom of, it, like the. TtHJ, episode, like the Joe Screen episode and plenty of others that is turning fans off the sport. Most people are not Poole haters, they just like to see a reasonable degree of fair play. Edited September 24, 2015 by E I Addio 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I am not asking you to worry for me I am simply asking you for the forth time to name the names of those who in your opinion are the forum idiots. To put it another way round, I would say the idiots are those who make extravagant claims then duck and dive instead of giving a straight answer when challenged, which is what you are starting to do now. Idiocy is not ,I limited to those outside Poole. Red Panda made a complete idiot of herself before she suddenly went quiet, and I think most would agree that Starman is where the buses don't run.. As said before, the issue is that Ford has such a disreputable history that we have reached the point that nobody believes a word he says. I doubt that I that anybody could specifically prove he was cheating on this occasion but I doubt that anybody could prove he has not manipulated the situation either. It is just yet another distasteful event with. Ford at the bottom of, it, like the. TtHJ, episode, like the Joe Screen episode and plenty of others that is turning fans off the sport. Most people are not Poole haters, they just like to see a reasonable degree of fair play. Well Mr Addio, if you have quoted my post as an example of idiocy, i would suggest that you loosen up a little and try to develop a sense of humour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I am not asking you to worry for me I am simply asking you for the forth time to name the names of those who in your opinion are the forum idiots. To put it another way round, I would say the idiots are those who make extravagant claims then duck and dive instead of giving a straight answer when challenged, which is what you are starting to do now. Idiocy is not ,I limited to those outside Poole. Red Panda made a complete idiot of herself before she suddenly went quiet, and I think most would agree that Starman is where the buses don't run.. As said before, the issue is that Ford has such a disreputable history that we have reached the point that nobody believes a word he says. I doubt that I that anybody could specifically prove he was cheating on this occasion but I doubt that anybody could prove he has not manipulated the situation either. It is just yet another distasteful event with. Ford at the bottom of, it, like the. TtHJ, episode, like the Joe Screen episode and plenty of others that is turning fans off the sport. Most people are not Poole haters, they just like to see a reasonable degree of fair play. For the fourth (forth??) time I don't need to name them as they stand out like a spare todger at a wedding! And unfortunately one or two of our own supporters fall into that category too. And EUREKA he's got it! Is it so difficult to grasp that many believe, including some of their own fans, that Poole have a history of using, shall we say, dubious tactics. Is it then a surprise that when an out of form rider is replaced by a guest, who most believed would score more, that people are suspicious and likely to believe the worst. It's human nature. In this instance he replaced a rider with a medical certificate, the fact he was 'out of form' (in your opinion) is irrelevant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Well Mr Addio, if you have quoted my post as an example of idiocy, i would suggest that you loosen up a little and try to develop a sense of humour Nope . wasn't quoting your post as an example. In fact it didn't even cross my mind, so no fingers pointed at you as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Not sure why all this nastiness by people towards Zagar. He was in hospital (Fact) and is still having blood drained from his hip/groin (fact) I'm sure Belle Vue would love to have him on Monday but it's more important that he heals. Great. So healing physically is more important than healing psychologically?? In your world I guess I can see that logic!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Not sure why all this nastiness by people towards Zagar. He was in hospital (Fact) and is still having blood drained from his hip/groin (fact) I'm sure Belle Vue would love to have him on Monday but it's more important that he heals. I agree if that is the truth but i also think it suits Belle Vue to use a fully fit and in form Jonsson. If Poole are open to criticism regarding North's situation then i don't think Zagar's situation should go unchallenged. Great. So healing physically is more important than healing psychologically?? In your world I guess I can see that logic!! You beat me to it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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