oldtimer Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) I agree with everything he said, persuade him to take over from Harkess. Edited September 18, 2015 by oldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvm Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I agree with everything he said, persuade him to take over from Harkess. I'm very pleased for you..Give us a clue, what did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Not seen it so can't really comment...but I do know. It's easier to say what is wrong with speedway...it's much harder to carry out everything once you are in a position of power...so it's easy to look good on paper giving opinions when not in power as such 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 They're all broadly the same these days, the answer to speedway's issues is to pretend it's 1985 again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Go back to uprights to cut the speed, costs and improve safety. Start it in the NL asap then in the PL and finally the EL in 4-5 years time. Making it easier and cheaper to get new young riders into the sport. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Go back to uprights to cut the speed, costs and improve safety. Start it in the NL asap then in the PL and finally the EL in 4-5 years time. Making it easier and cheaper to get new young riders into the sport. Surely starting at the bottom makes it more expensive for youngsters,especially those that have already started out.They have to buy brand new kit,rather than second hand stuff............and the guys at the top of the ladder can carry on using their bikes,when they are more in a position to afford new gear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Speedway is still the cheapest motorbike sport you can do, and actually get paid for doing it, look at any NL or PL riders gear, and note how much money has been wasted on pretty fashion bits and pieces. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Surely starting at the bottom makes it more expensive for youngsters,especially those that have already started out.They have to buy brand new kit,rather than second hand stuff............and the guys at the top of the ladder can carry on using their bikes,when they are more in a position to afford new gear  Yup arse about face, enforce it at the top top then phase out as the used gear moves down the food chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 When a 125 / 250 cc bike is £4800 , it shows how restrictive coming in to the sport is at the lower level.  John Davis is only reiterating what many world class riders from the past have already said.  It can only happen in a controlled manner and needs the Riders Association to drive it forward.  no point waiting for the FIM to do anything along these lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 When a 125 / 250 cc bike is £4800 , it shows how restrictive coming in to the sport is at the lower level. John Davis is only reiterating what many world class riders from the past have already said. It can only happen in a controlled manner and needs the Riders Association to drive it forward. no point waiting for the FIM to do anything along these lines I have said it for ages that speedway needs to back to uprights and get rid of dirt deflectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 They're all broadly the same these days, the answer to speedway's issues is to pretend it's 1985 again. Yes, sod 1985, wasn't speedway in a mess compared to now?............. Â It's not a question of pretending but trying to get the sport back in a sane, sustainable state. I'd prefer we learned from past successes rather than blindly heading for the cliff edge muttering 'time's moved on'. Â A cheap shot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Not only is it good sense to learn from past mistakes, it is equally good sense to learn from past successes. Â One is left with the feeling those running British speedway have done neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) I have said it for ages that speedway needs to back to uprights and get rid of dirt deflectors Made a huge difference to the sport those deflectors haven't they? Â Certainly keeps all that dust on the track.... . Edited September 20, 2015 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Made a huge difference to the sport those deflectors haven't they?Certainly keeps all that dust on the track.....[/quote  Time they were scrapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Has to start from the NL upwards changes need to started at the bottom ,the arguement of the cost of changing machinery costing can't be allowed to log jam the process.IMO work up form NL to the PL and eventually the EL and just leave the GP boys to their devices if they want to waste thousands on rocket ships so be it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 the biggest problem is the promoters aren't making money out of the game, the promoters need to promote the sport and in turn make money out of the sport, I cant think of many businesses where the employees take home more than what is being raised through income. You can change uprights, laydowns, dirt deflectors etc etc but the real source of the problem is income for the promoters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 the biggest problem is the promoters aren't making money out of the game, the promoters need to promote the sport and in turn make money out of the sport, I cant think of many businesses where the employees take home more than what is being raised through income. You can change uprights, laydowns, dirt deflectors etc etc but the real source of the problem is income for the promoters. Correct ....The bottom line is speedway needs more fans . sadly the idea's put forward year in year out are cost cutting idea's that in turn bring less fans in . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Go back to uprights to cut the speed, costs and improve safety. Start it in the NL asap then in the PL and finally the EL in 4-5 years time. Making it easier and cheaper to get new young riders into the sport.His comments on returning to uprights were in relation to making the sport safer.We were not having this conversation before the new silencers came in 5 years ago.Rather than change everything else why not revert back to the old silencers which were proven to make bikes easier to ride thus producing less injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Correct ....The bottom line is speedway needs more fans . sadly the idea's put forward year in year out are cost cutting idea's that in turn bring less fans in . maybe but who is going to take the financial risk with their own or their businesses cash to invest in a team full of expensive world stars  if it works - fine - if it doesnt theyve lost their cash not yours or mine so there has to be another way  cost cutting ideas dont have to necessarily bring in fewer fans - e.g. most fans dont give a fig about the machinery and wouldnt care if much cheaper machinery was used where possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Make sport safer whether it be slower bikes or by whatever method, and you will reduce injury's, if you reduce injury's you will reduce the need for guests, if you reduce the need for guests and the team advertised actually turns up myself and others will come back to the sport. Make it cheaper for riders to compete, they will keep more of their earnings, and won't need to double up, stop doubling up riders missing meetings and even more fans will return. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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