MrMungo Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 EL tracks are able to race on a Monday when sky are there so that just isn't true. Each track would have say two home meetings a month, the other two weeks run a NL team. With Belle Vue running on Wednesdays next season (if I remember correctly), that does leave Wolverhampton as the only 'pure' Monday night club left. One could argue that Wolves are in many ways more suited to the PL now given that they seem to really struggle in the heat-leader department. Could Speedway on Monday nights be a thing of the past? Is it at all possible we could have EL Speedway on Wednesdays/Thursday & PL Speedway Fri - Sun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 With Belle Vue running on Wednesdays next season (if I remember correctly), that does leave Wolverhampton as the only 'pure' Monday night club left. One could argue that Wolves are in many ways more suited to the PL now given that they seem to really struggle in the heat-leader department. Could Speedway on Monday nights be a thing of the past? Is it at all possible we could have EL Speedway on Wednesdays/Thursday & PL Speedway Fri - Sun? A Wednesday race night would clash with Denmark but then with NKI and Bjerre already at Lynn that wouldn't be a problem I guess? Wednesday could indeed make more sense than Monday. I think we need to look at what's best for the sport as a whole in Britain, if one or two clubs can't sustain that level of racing then they'd have to drop a tier unfortunately for them. We can't keep making excuses to stop progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Denmark also use Fridays. Excluding Danes very few top riders ride regularly in the DSL. Top five non-Danes this year in DSL: Karpov, North, Kylmakorpi, Lahti and Lampart. And how many DSL matches has Kenny Bjerre ridden in the last two years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 A Wednesday race night would clash with Denmark but then with NKI and Bjerre already at Lynn that wouldn't be a problem I guess? Wednesday could indeed make more sense than Monday. I think we need to look at what's best for the sport as a whole in Britain, if one or two clubs can't sustain that level of racing then they'd have to drop a tier unfortunately for them. We can't keep making excuses to stop progress. Denmark, like Britain, ride on an assortment of dates. Usually either Mondays, Wednesday or Fridays. It has been that way in the past at least, not sure if it's changed lately. In the top league that is, their 2nd division usually runs on a Saturday morning or afternoon, whilst the big individuals are often run on a Friday evening. King's Lynn are one of those sides who could operate on pretty much any day of the week they wanted to. They have run on Thursdays before when riders were in Denmark on a Wednesday, they have held lots of meetings on Fridays too. It's some of the other 20 odd clubs with limitations that could be problematic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 With Belle Vue running on Wednesdays next season (if I remember correctly), that does leave Wolverhampton as the only 'pure' Monday night club left. One could argue that Wolves are in many ways more suited to the PL now given that they seem to really struggle in the heat-leader department. Could Speedway on Monday nights be a thing of the past? Is it at all possible we could have EL Speedway on Wednesdays/Thursday & PL Speedway Fri - Sun? Hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 So reading back some think the status quo should remain ie 7 man teams some think six man teams some think plenty of riders some think not enough and some think race nights are the problem, each individual has a valid point in most cases, so based on this how are the promoters meant to decided what's best for the future given each and everyone will have a differing view based on their own business model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 bit like the EU..each club secures an opt out of things they don't like and we muddle on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted September 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Well if that's the case let's hope crowds go up with the influx of migrants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 EL tracks are able to race on a Monday when sky are there so that just isn't true. Each track would have say two home meetings a month, the other two weeks run a NL team. When SKY pay them for televising the event they will move for that day , but they are most unlikely to move to Mondays all season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrConceited Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Think NL riders will play a major part next year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm sure your right their but how many and will they be protected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 A reserve draft with these reserves in protected reserve slots would be good. Each team should draft a number 8 too for times when one of their reserves may be away which I think we have to accept will happen for one reason or another. If the top 5 points limit is around 35-36 then teams are actually no weaker than they were this year except they are tracking two Brits at reserve. Oh and keep the race format as it is, one reserve heat is enough, then these riders will get proper averages for following years when they move out of their reserve slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 My local speedway team will have no British riders in 2016, having signed the following 7 foreigners... From Sweden...Bengt Fraim and Anders Aspanna From Russia....Ivan Adimov and Boris Nokdimova From Germany.Berndt Klutch From Italy........Cara Buretta From the USA...Kaz Trolar Should be a good season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 A bet the last rider has a nice smell around him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 the german?... burnt clutch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 There is 17 year olds on £15 per point riding on a 3 average getting 3 points...thats £45 incase you struggle with maths, how can they be expected to survive on that... i am almost certain that any reserve in the pl is on a set amount of money , if he scores points or not . and its 3 times over the 45 pound mark. so even konopka can make a living out of it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hope this talk about PL teams required to track at least one NL rider entering on a GSA of 3.00 is binned. (Would it be a draft selection, and what happens if the guy based in Eastbourne refuses to join Glasgow or Edinburgh if chosen ?) This suggestion, together with a proposal of reducing the team building limit from 42.5, means only one thing, namely a dilution of the quality of the product. The theory that dud non UK riders are preventing the development indigenous talent is risible, unless the home boys are pricing themselves out of the market from the outset. I pay good dosh to watch decent PL fare and I resent some patriotic namby pambys' trying to dictate who should be allowed to represent my club based on their birthplace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hope this talk about PL teams required to track at least one NL rider entering on a GSA of 3.00 is binned. (Would it be a draft selection, and what happens if the guy based in Eastbourne refuses to join Glasgow or Edinburgh if chosen ?) This suggestion, together with a proposal of reducing the team building limit from 42.5, means only one thing, namely a dilution of the quality of the product. The theory that dud non UK riders are preventing the development indigenous talent is risible, unless the home boys are pricing themselves out of the market from the outset. I pay good dosh to watch decent PL fare and I resent some patriotic namby pambys' trying to dictate who should be allowed to represent my club based on their birthplace. Like the EL draft, if riders agree to bring a part of it they would have to agree to ride no matter where they were drafted. Do this and reducing the team limit by 6-7 points for the main team (1-5) doesn't actually dilute the product at all at the start of the season. Decent PL fare? Graversen, Konopka, Dilger, Maassen... Really? Riders given more chances than any of our riders are given and being pants, it's criminal, moves need to be made to improve the future British speedway, each team tracking two young/inexperienced reserves is a good start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted October 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 I believe a draft will happen in some form but don't think points will be reduced hence the potential for stronger teams when a guaranteed three pointer is in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILYRAG Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Like the EL draft, if riders agree to bring a part of it they would have to agree to ride no matter where they were drafted. Do this and reducing the team limit by 6-7 points for the main team (1-5) doesn't actually dilute the product at all at the start of the season. Decent PL fare? Graversen, Konopka, Dilger, Maassen... Really? Riders given more chances than any of our riders are given and being pants, it's criminal, moves need to be made to improve the future British speedway, each team tracking two young/inexperienced reserves is a good start. Exactly someone like Ben Wilson Will probably not get a team place next season even though he is better than two thirds of the 5 point foreigners and his average is lower ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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