Joe Beevers Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 IMO There is no way Greg Hancock will retire. I watched him talking in the GP the other day and can just tell he is still as enthusiastic as ever to keep going and he is still super fit and still wants to win every race. I would be shocked if he steps down and there is no way he should give up his spot and younger riders should earn it! So IMO: Woffinden Hancock Pedersen Zagar Iversen Holder Doyle Janowski will prob be top 8 Zmarzlik Pawlicki Harris Wild Card Leaves 4. Kildemand has been brilliant and deserves a spot. Hampel injured and is too good to leave out. Next spot should be filled by a Swedish rider as there isnt one. I would pick Lindback over Jonsson on form this year but it's close. Final spot is interesting. M.J.J is next highest scorer but so many Danes doesn't help is cause. Batchelor is worse than last year and imo didn't deserve the wildcard spot than. With Jonasson and KK out and Sayfutdinov not interested, it may come down to 3 riders. Premyslaw Pawlicki - 4th in Gp Challenge but are there too many Poles? Martin Vaculik - Decent shout and would represent the Czechs but IMO he isn't any better than Batchelor. Gregory Laguta - Probably edges it for me. No Russians and is an exciting rider plus has never experienced GPs and would win my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Vaculik is much better than batch based on form over the last couple of seasons. Not sure g laguta is any more interested than Emil. Agree with your analysis, but think aj will get that fourth spot ahead of mjj. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It does annoy that we have people saying too many Poles or Danes which rules out a rider. Pick the best 15 and a competitive wild card. Not kids but a proper wild card who can win races. If this wild card comes from outside the host country so what. In Slovenia the wild card and track reserves were rubbish. Would ticket holders and TV have prefered Emil or Laguta or Vaculik to be given a go. No disrepect but Craig Cook wont put bums on seats at Cardiff but Emil would. It's the world championship not a quota system. Wishfull thinking ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 IMO There is no way Greg Hancock will retire. I watched him talking in the GP the other day and can just tell he is still as enthusiastic as ever to keep going and he is still super fit and still wants to win every race. I would be shocked if he steps down and there is no way he should give up his spot and younger riders should earn it! So IMO: Woffinden Hancock Pedersen Zagar Iversen Holder Doyle Janowski will prob be top 8 Zmarzlik Pawlicki Harris Wild Card Leaves 4. Kildemand has been brilliant and deserves a spot. Hampel injured and is too good to leave out. Next spot should be filled by a Swedish rider as there isnt one. I would pick Lindback over Jonsson on form this year but it's close. Final spot is interesting. M.J.J is next highest scorer but so many Danes doesn't help is cause. Batchelor is worse than last year and imo didn't deserve the wildcard spot than. With Jonasson and KK out and Sayfutdinov not interested, it may come down to 3 riders. Premyslaw Pawlicki - 4th in Gp Challenge but are there too many Poles? Martin Vaculik - Decent shout and would represent the Czechs but IMO he isn't any better than Batchelor. Gregory Laguta - Probably edges it for me. No Russians and is an exciting rider plus has never experienced GPs and would win my vote. Vaculik Czech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It does annoy that we have people saying too many Poles or Danes which rules out a rider. Pick the best 15 and a competitive wild card. Not kids but a proper wild card who can win races. If this wild card comes from outside the host country so what. In Slovenia the wild card and track reserves were rubbish. Would ticket holders and TV have prefered Emil or Laguta or Vaculik to be given a go. No disrepect but Craig Cook wont put bums on seats at Cardiff but Emil would. It's the world championship not a quota system. Wishfull thinking ! Technically, it is a commercial business which means that they do whatever is good for their business. The "sport" part will therefore be secondary to the business part, which is why we have allot of temporary tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eglese 19 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It does annoy that we have people saying too many Poles or Danes which rules out a rider. Pick the best 15 and a competitive wild card. Not kids but a proper wild card who can win races. If this wild card comes from outside the host country so what. In Slovenia the wild card and track reserves were rubbish. Would ticket holders and TV have prefered Emil or Laguta or Vaculik to be given a go. No disrepect but Craig Cook wont put bums on seats at Cardiff but Emil would. It's the world championship not a quota system. Wishfull thinking ! I agree totally about nationalities being ignored when picking the riders but alas commercial reasons always going to play a part. As far as the wildcard goes, I'd be happy enough just to have a field of 16 and no wildcards but as long as they exist it I guess it makes sense to have a local(ish) involved. Track reserves I don't care about as I hope not to see them in a night given that it means we've either had a tapes exclusion or more likely an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) I would not put it past Hancock winning another championship before he retires. Based on this years showing, he should carry on - he is still much much better than the vast majority out there. Why should he stop? Who of this "young blood" is actually better than him?Totally right Steve with no Emil/Darcy why would Greg quit the series,he is still a viable contender Pawlicki for me is Tai's biggest challenger over the next few years. With Greg still there with a squeak,next year surely Tai has to be 1/3 to get his third world title.? Edited September 23, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy17 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Woffinden Hancock Pedersen Zagar Iversen Holder Doyle Janowski Zmarzlik Pawlicki Harris Kildemand Lindback Hampel Emil - if he wants to, if not Vaculik. Edited September 23, 2015 by speedy17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It does annoy that we have people saying too many Poles or Danes which rules out a rider. Pick the best 15 and a competitive wild card. Not kids but a proper wild card who can win races. If this wild card comes from outside the host country so what. In Slovenia the wild card and track reserves were rubbish. Would ticket holders and TV have prefered Emil or Laguta or Vaculik to be given a go. No disrepect but Craig Cook wont put bums on seats at Cardiff but Emil would. It's the world championship not a quota system. Wishfull thinking ! And to be honest I totally agree but I am trying to think how selectors would think but sometimes you never know. I would pick the best riders even if it was 8 Danes and 7 Poles although it would be quite sad although this is how the future of speedway is shaping. On reflection, I would put the 9th place rider in regardless of nationality and that would be Jensen. Noodles, you must be quite bored to highlight my whole post in regards to Vaculik's nationality. Ok he was former Czech and now Slovak. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Understand the commercial business issues but it's unlikely we would get to 8 Poles and 7 Danes. In the near future Sweden is the only problem country but Lindback can maybe fill that void. For commercial reasons you should want the strongest 15 + a strong wild card who can add to the racing. I don't care if he is from the home country as I want proper racing. Not someone on a push bike as in Slovenia, Prague and Latvia. The best riders fill seats not someone like THJ who is limited at world level. How many bums on seats would he sell in Sweden. Few if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRacer Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 It's ridiculous for people to think Grag Hancock should retire due to the fact they think he is "boring". I would prefer to watch other riders, so would prefer him to retire. I strongly suspect he will not take my views into account when making that decision, but that's what I would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 An interesting view Oldracer. Although I disagree, I understand your reasoning and I wish we could have a GP filled with Chris Mortons, Mark Lorams and Peter Collins. Wouldn't it have been great to give Alan Mogridge a wild card just for the guts he used to show and there are hundreds oof others across nations and time who you would have wished that that one amazing ride that we all witnessed should have guarenteed them a spot in the World Final due to their entertainment capabilities. Still this gives me an idea for a topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 An interesting view Oldracer. Although I disagree, I understand your reasoning and I wish we could have a GP filled with Chris Mortons, Mark Lorams and Peter Collins. Wouldn't it have been great to give Alan Mogridge a wild card just for the guts he used to show and there are hundreds oof others across nations and time who you would have wished that that one amazing ride that we all witnessed should have guarenteed them a spot in the World Final due to their entertainment capabilities. Still this gives me an idea for a topic. What's that then? "The most ridiculous suggestions for a GP Wilcard?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 No it was more the most entertaining lineup you could put into a World Final however, having thought about it I won't do it as I cant see the demand being great enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 No it was more the most entertaining lineup you could put into a World Final however, having thought about it I won't do it as I cant see the demand being great enough. Wise choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 No it was more the most entertaining lineup you could put into a World Final however, having thought about it I won't do it as I cant see the demand being great enough. Couldn't resist it! 1. Barry Thomas 2. Joe Screen 3. Mark Loram 4. Nicki Pedersen 5. Kelly Moran 6. Andy Galvin 7. Darcy Ward 8. Peter Collins 9. Tomasz Gollob 10. Alan Mogridge 11. Sam Ermolenko 12. Zenon Plech 13. Chris Morton 14. Jan O Pedersen 15. John Cook Wild card. Kelvin Mullarkey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Surely you would need penhall and Carter. Plus s Moran and Emil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I only found Penhall and Carter entertaining when they were against each other. Kelly was more entertaining than Shawn and Emil wouldn't want me to put him in! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Beevers Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Couldn't resist it! 1. Barry Thomas 2. Joe Screen 3. Mark Loram 4. Nicki Pedersen 5. Kelly Moran 6. Andy Galvin 7. Darcy Ward 8. Peter Collins 9. Tomasz Gollob 10. Alan Mogridge 11. Sam Ermolenko 12. Zenon Plech 13. Chris Morton 14. Jan O Pedersen 15. John Cook Wild card. Kelvin Mullarkey I really like your post Terry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Top 8 2015 seems pretty much sorted, GP Challenge sorted, just need the wildcards for 2016 I going for Hample, Kildemand, AJ and Lindback (hoping he can keep the form going) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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