stevebrum Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Well said cut down on GP's and forget one night a week speedway not practical for start I am not bothered whether I watch a GP riders or a PL riders as long as there is close racing and of reasonable standard . Cut down on GP riders and you would cut crowds in half in an instance. There is a very good reason why crowds in Sweden and Poland are good and better than the EL - and that's because they have the top riders. Good racing is essential but I'd only make the odd trip to watch racing if the GP boys weren't racing in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Freddie Lindgren's best engines!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Freddie Lindgren's best engines!! Not anymore apparently!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) OLSEN, Mauger and Briggs didn't have the Polish option NO but the Polish and Swedish ones certainly are ... did you watch last night's meeting at Kumla? I saw it, I also saw the naff match last week!......I never saw complaints of racing with olsen, mauger, briggs, quality riders produce quality racing (most of the time), the awful line ups the elite dish out each week is substandard, bit harsh to blame british tracks, I been lucky enough to see great racing almost everywhere....except Leicester!! Edited September 16, 2015 by ColinMills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I saw it, I also saw the naff match last week!......I never saw complaints of racing with olsen, mauger, briggs, quality riders produce quality racing (most of the time), the awful line upsthe elite dish out each week is substandard, bit harsh to blame british tracks, I been lucky enough tosee great racing almost everywhere....except Leicester!! The Leicester promotor thinks he has the best track in speedway lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Don't know what they have got but know what they haven't... GUESTS!.... Wonder if being a credible professional sport in the eyes of the sports watching public makes a positive difference to the attendance levels? I Doubt it ...the crowds would be much bigger in the uk if had the same standard of riders. that would be a much bigger factor than having guests ...as had been said many time before when the crowds were massive in the uk when we had guests so it just a big myth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 most of the stadiums in Sweden are owned by the clubs so all the money earned go straight to the club so all profit`s to the club so they can afford to pay better wages and no big rents paid to others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) They don't have the North Sea to cross. Edited September 16, 2015 by Wolfsbane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I Doubt it ...the crowds would be much bigger in the uk if had the same standard of riders. that would be a much bigger factor than having guests And you would be paying something like £20 plus for Admission. But like i said before, you wuill not get all the big boys back here, they have bigger fish to catch elsewhere. And STILL, EL clubs would own there own stadia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 The Vetlanda track didn't produce much great racing, apparently never does .... but just look at their team!! We must go 2 nights a week ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 Does anyone know admission prices in Sweden or Poland? Guests, doubling up and double point races have also diluted the product. I know many riders double in Sweden but there are no fixture clashes/ As to the tracks most in Sweden and Poland do seem wider, hence more racing lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 The Vetlanda track didn't produce much great racing, apparently never does .... but just look at their team!! We must go 2 nights a week ...... But you still won't get all the big boys back here. They are very happy with there lot riding in Sweden Poland and the GP's. Why would they want to come here and up there travelling for a pittance compared with what they get in the above ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I Doubt it ...the crowds would be much bigger in the uk if had the same standard of riders. that would be a much bigger factor than having guests ...as had been said many time before when the crowds were massive in the uk when we had guests so it just a big myth . Crowds were bigger in the 'olden days' and we did have guests, agreed.... However this was, in the main, accepted as a 'necessary evil' and was used almost as a 'last resort' and you simply didnt have the amount of 'select teams' around that we have today. Nowadays it appears to be part of an almost 'sharp practice' business plan as teams arrange meetings knowing riders will be missing and therefore have the opportunity to cherry pick, in many instances better quality replacements.. Also, in those days no social media existed therefore many fans turned up regardless of the team compilations as they simply had no idea who was or wasnt there till they had paid their cash... Nowadays this here interwebnet thingy tells you (for example) that Lakeside will this Friday be racing against Belle Vue (allied with Wolves/Coventry and Leicester etc). You have to believe that this info severely impacts the crowds decision to attend especially when other factors such as potential poor weather are thrown into the equation. (Again you can see this info immediately and up to the minute which must influence whether to bother or not) Modern comms. have opened up the world to everyone and therefore people now question much more what goes on.. This has meant that we nowadays have certain greater expectations and for me 'guest riders' do not fit within a framework for running a professional sport with integrity.... Maybe it doesnt effect Swedens crowds positively having no guests, but I would suggest it wont do them any harm when it comes to the credibility of their League, which can only benefit it in some way.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I have seen three meetings at Vetlanda and all three were great entertainment... admittedly a long time ago. Tonight's meeting had a sprinkling of good racing... but in the main it was difficult to pass .nothing like the meetings that I saw. You have to ask yourself the question...... when a rider of the ability of Niels K Iversen struggles to pass other riders where has the track preparation gone wrong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 The Swedes and thd Poles aren't very good at football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 If you went to a pub in the uk and the toilets were half as bad as most speedway stadiums you'd report them to the local council. Basically our facilities are mostly stuck in the 1950's. Not forgetting our "quirky" tracks, Eastbourne, Lakeside, Rye House, ( which in all honesty are rubbish and you'd be a fool to think otherwise). So …… crap tracks, crap facilities, overpriced, under promoted and no money in it for the riders. Sorry, what was the question again ? Not forgetting our ruling body's lack of attracting one major sponsor despite having SKY tv coverage, and the self interest of individual promotors being detrimental to the sport in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 And you would be paying something like £20 plus for Admission. But like i said before, you wuill not get all the big boys back here, they have bigger fish to catch elsewhere. And STILL, EL clubs would own there own stadia. I don't think orion necessarily meant the so called top riders so why would we be paying £20 admission? Personally I couldn't care less if we don't see the GP riders over here as I'd prefer a lower standard as long as they are all pretty equal although I know there are many who won't agree, like Stevebrum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 The Swedes and thd Poles aren't very good at football. Good point this country is obsessed with football at the expense of many other sports incuding s/way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Are the loos at our speedways really bad anymore, Not in my experience at EL clubs! Yes, some of our tracks could do with better track grading equipment. What we definitely need is promotions to promote and present positively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I don't think orion necessarily meant the so called top riders so why would we be paying £20 admission? Personally I couldn't care less if we don't see the GP riders over here as I'd prefer a lower standard as long as they are all pretty equal although I know there are many who won't agree, like Stevebrum. My sentiments exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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