wealdstone Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Seemed to me that RF rapidly lost any real interest or ambition for Panthers probably during so called winter of discontent. Even then he had an inner circle of hangers on which was illustrated in the days of fans forums where the rank and file were left waiting only to find the chosen few had been let in early and nabbed pole positions. There was clearly more deep rooted reasons for the departure of Bratters etc which porobably we shall never know. His then management team were ineffectual ( a euphemism) to say the least. A brief change in fortunes under Ryan Sullivan but I am convinced RF had no intention to run in 2014 that is why riders awards etc we held in the showground after the last meeting,and was it only by chance that Horton was also there. If I recall here again most of us were kept waiting in the cold and rain by security only to see that the inner circle were safely ensconced inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 why ??? surely we'd be stupid to even contemplate going elite In its present form I agree, so it's a wait and see really although we know that many decisions will have already been taken anyway. If the EL somehow gets bigger & stronger then you can bet it'll be at the expense of the leagues below. That's why such statements are reasonable based on what we know, it's what we don't know that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 ged has commented that the crowds are hovering around the 1000 mark , in that case we're better off where we are I think the crowds would increase if it was Friday nights in the elite..big name riders do draw crowds..although there are that many left in the 'elite'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Unfortunately I suspect that most that currently go to the Showground would share your views. The Elite League supporters voted with their feet and just did not come anymore. Myself, Riggers and a very few others being the exceptions. Peterborough needs a competitive team to get good crowds for the speedway whether it's EL or PL, that's pretty much been the case for the last couple of decades or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Peterborough needs a competitive team to get good crowds for the speedway whether it's EL or PL, that's pretty much been the case for the last couple of decades or more.or put in a less fluffy way.....They have to rely on fickle glory hunters! wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAK Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Pretty sure that's the case for every club isn't it? You'll always get more through the gate if your team is competitive compared to not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) panthers el in 2016, panthers in pl 2017, panthers in nl or non existent in 2018.. the pl wins all the time. Edited September 23, 2015 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Elite league on a Friday if possible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Pretty sure that's the case for every club isn't it? You'll always get more through the gate if your team is competitive compared to not to an extent - but some clubs seem to suffer disproportionately.Pboro appears one of those which is strange when you consider the track is almost universally ranked as one of the best in terms of racing entertainment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 panthers el in 2016, panthers in pl 2017, panthers in nl or non existent in 2018.. the pl wins all the time. The 3rd scenarios are one and the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdjfan Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Panthers i n 2016 but in premier league please, have watched the Sky Elite league meetings this year including their play offs and found them inredibly boring!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Peterborough needs a competitive team to get good crowds for the speedway whether it's EL or PL, that's pretty much been the case for the last couple of decades or more. Not the only criteria: remember this? "I will never forget that the 2006 Grand Final, arguably the greatest modern day meeting ever, watched live by over 6000 people and by thousands more at home, was followed by a Craven Shield fixture attended by less than 700 people. If that Grand Final won’t pull people in, then what will?!?!" To answer the question: decent opposition, meaningful competition, decent presentation and communications, and more than 3 days between fixtures (the Grand final was Mon 9th & the probably meaningless Craven Shield with B.Vue/Coventry was the 12th). Edited September 24, 2015 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The bike Sullivan used in heat 15 wasnt run again until being warmed up on the stand before the Cravan Shield meeting and it promptly went bang big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The bike Sullivan used in heat 15 wasnt run again until being warmed up on the stand before the Cravan Shield meeting and it promptly went bang big time Is that right Jeez, that was close! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The bike Sullivan used in heat 15 wasnt run again until being warmed up on the stand before the Cravan Shield meeting and it promptly went bang big timeWhich makes sense as the engine reaches optimium performance just before they let go...that's why you see riders who are flying suddenly lose form like MPT this season when he blew his flyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ostergaard Grondal Porsing Thomsen Barker 2 brit reserves The big dilemma is Simon Lambert. Arguably our rider of the season but now on a funny average to fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Ostergaard Grondal Porsing Thomsen Barker 2 brit reserves The big dilemma is Simon Lambert. Arguably our rider of the season but now on a funny average to fit in. Nothing funny at all, the blokes been an absolute star this year both on the track and in the pits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stBendTiger Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 My suspected 4 would be Rye House, Sheffield, Glasgow & Newcastle into EL. Wolves to PL. Lakeside to ? Scnunthorpe & Recar to NL. Birminginham to PL. Could be a right old merry go round this winter or maybe im just cuckoo? Sheffield confirmed as staying in the Premier league next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 If Edinburgh couldn't fit in Sedgeman I would be tempted even on his high ish average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Nothing funny at all, the blokes been an absolute star this year both on the track and in the pits. Lambert and Thomsen on fairly similar averages but you know which one is the better bet & more likely to put 2-3 points on there figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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