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peterborough daz Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 I'm considering a 1st visit to the showground to see 2 big track teams for a change. I don't follow the politics but can I assume that Craig Cook will not be racing? 50/50 atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 Yet 'so far' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 'so far' The rain has come to his rescue hasn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 The rain has come to his rescue hasn't it. possibly,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 HOPE we get Cook, because I fear the crowds will drop drastically with the current team, even if Porsing decided to return. Throw in the possible departure of Ged, & it could be curtains for Panthers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) So it's mine and Nicklas's fault for this debacle. Ged called me to tell me he had released Nick to replace him with Cook and would I call Nick to tell him he had been sacked by Peterborough and the reason he had been sacked. At no time did Ged say to me, that BSPA confirmation was still required, we need clarification etc. I was told it was a done deed. Nor was I or Nicklas told we should not reveal his sacking to anyone. I had a number of calls to Nicklas in Denmark and I wrote the statement which he approved and he placed on his Facebook page approx. 3 hours after Ged's call to me. Supporters and media have accused us that we released the news because we were bitter. I can guarantee you this was not the case, we released it as it was a fact that Nicklas had been sacked. I am certain if you had been sacked from your job, you would not have kept it under your hat thinking the management had to carry out further tasks get confirmations etc. before you can tell anyone. Many ask for transparency, I have no need to not tell the facts as they were. As I help, manage Nick for no personal or financial gain other than personal pleasure in helping a young man who was instroduced to me 3 years ago when he came to the UK. If Peterborough have made an error, then please don't blame Nicklas, all he has done is tried his best and been sacked. Thank you - David Wootton It was your prerogative to announce that the rider you represent, Porsing, had been dropped by Panthers. But it wasn't up to you to go blabbing in the social media about what Panthers were planning to do as regards new signings. It makes no difference whether or not Ged told you anything about BSPA ratification, one way or the other. It had eff-all to do with you anyway, so why would he?! Bottom line, it was all down to YOU that the plan to sign Cook went into the public domain when it did. And, crucially, it was before Panthers wanted it to, i.e. before they'd had a chance to get it ratified. At that stage Panthers hadn't said anything in public about Cook, and Ged was waiting to get it all nailed on before announcing it. But your ill-considered blabbing forced them into it. Ged's big mistake was paying you the courtesy of explaining why Porsing was being dropped. In hindsight he would have been wise to fob you off with a blank reply like "it's all part of our plans to improve the team". It's pity you didn't show the same courtesy. Edited May 7, 2016 by PE7Panther 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterborough daz Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 All is not lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 I am afraid that I don't have the sympathy for Ged Rathbone, I think he has been very naive, to announce the signing before it was cleared and ratified was not the wisest move. He didn't. It was Porsing's lickspittle who put it out via social media. And that forced Panthers into making an announcement before they really wanted to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 And Clegg ride for Wolves and Cradley, both declared Monday tracks? they share a track so cant ride at the same time!!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseq7 Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 Another one who hasn't actually looked at the fixture list. Do the days count and look at what's reserved. I did have a look at the fixture list but didn't count the reserved dates. Fair enough the majority of fixtures are Friday if you count the reserved dates. I was counting the actual dates that are scheduled to happen, not maybe happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) So it's mine and Nicklas's fault for this debacle. ...... please don't blame Nicklas, all he has done is tried his best and been sacked. Nobody is pointing the finger at Porsing. Just you. I'm not Rob Godfrey (the clue is in the sig!), but I agree, his statement on the BSPA website has clarified the whole situation, and made it very clear why doubling-up between two tracks on the same race-night is not allowed. A sign that maybe the BSPA has changed, with more transparency and explaining how a decision has been made. In this case, it was simple common-sense. All the best Rob Godfrey hasn't made anything clear at all. Where is the RULE that covers clubs having the same race-night? All Godfrey has said is that the MC don't really like it. And he cites the Lewis Kerr case, but at best that's disingenuous; at worst it's utter bollox! The Kerr thing was nothing to do with any "rule", or even the BSPA. It was a decision made by the rider and the two clubs involved. The only "rule" Godfrey comes up with is the ubiquitous Rule 16.3.5 of the 2016 Speedway Regulations. That, of course, is the catch-all one about "in the best interests of speedway" that they always use for anything and everything that suits their own purposes ;-) Even if there are concerns about doubling-up riders missing meetings - which always happens everywhere anyway - surely it's far more "in the best interests of British speedway" to be supporting British riders...... Edited May 7, 2016 by PE7Panther 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) It was your prerogative to announce that the rider you represent, Porsing, had been dropped by Panthers. But it wasn't up to you to go blabbing in the social media about what Panthers were planning to do as regards new signings. It makes no difference whether or not Ged told you anything about BSPA ratification, one way or the other. It had eff-all to do with you anyway, so why would he?! Bottom line, it was all down to YOU that the plan to sign Cook went into the public domain when it did. And, crucially, it was before Panthers wanted it to, i.e. before they'd had a chance to get it ratified. At that stage Panthers hadn't said anything in public about Cook, and Ged was waiting to get it all nailed on before announcing it. But your ill-considered blabbing forced them into it. Ged's big mistake was paying you the courtesy of explaining why Porsing was being dropped. In hindsight he would have been wise to fob you off with a blank reply like "it's all part of our plans to improve the team". It's pity you didn't show the same courtesy. your being very harsh ... you don't know what ged said to D.W.P . Lets be fair although porsing hasn't done what panthers management wanted he's scored his average without having any luck , apart from bad , if the 3 riders who have been pea poor had chipped in there wouldn't need to be such drastic changes , porsings a good rider his scores on the continent tell you that , the premier isn't easy as he's found out , Edited May 7, 2016 by hans fan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 your being very harsh ... you don't know what ged said to D.W.P . Lets be fair although porsing hasn't done what panthers management wanted he's scored his average without having any luck , apart from bad , if the 3 riders who have been pea poor had chipped in there wouldn't need to be such drastic changes , porsings a good rider his scores on the continent tell you that , the premier isn't easy as he's found out , Porsing I feel is unlucky to lose his team place and as things are not working out it all boils down to the numbers game two riders had to make way and they are the unfortunate ones. Maybe with a little bit more time things could have been different and both would have showed great improvement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) your being very harsh ... you don't know what ged said to D.W.P . Lets be fair although porsing hasn't done what panthers management wanted he's scored his average without having any luck , apart from bad , if the 3 riders who have been pea poor had chipped in there wouldn't need to be such drastic changes , porsings a good rider his scores on the continent tell you that , the premier isn't easy as he's found out , Irrespective of what Ged said, it was his timing that appears to be the problem, while I realise it's important to be up front and keep employees informed, so as not to find out though third parties, if you have already been told your PROPOSED changes would not be approved, it seems very irresponsible and unprofessional conduct by the promoter. Edited May 7, 2016 by speed ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 To expect Porsing and his manager to keep schtum when he's been sacked is the worst kind of corporate crap. Come off it. Employers usually only get away with that when they threaten to ruin yur future employment prospects. Still don't agree with the BSPA on Cook at all, but Porsing and his manager have done nothing wrong. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 How long does it take Cook to travel to Peterborough, as no doubt the BSPA will back track and let him ride with one hour less than it takes for him to get there . His mum needs to know in case she has to cook his sunday dinner as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 I did have a look at the fixture list but didn't count the reserved dates. Fair enough the majority of fixtures are Friday if you count the reserved dates. I was counting the actual dates that are scheduled to happen, not maybe happen. And I was counting over the whole season (and it's still 50/50 if you want to pick this moment in time anyway) when we have more Fridays and will continue to do so I'd guess as long as we run at the EoES. Changing official raceday half way through the season for convenience would probably open a whole can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 your being very harsh ... you don't know what ged said to D.W.P . Lets be fair although porsing hasn't done what panthers management wanted he's scored his average without having any luck , apart from bad , if the 3 riders who have been pea poor had chipped in there wouldn't need to be such drastic changes , porsings a good rider his scores on the continent tell you that , the premier isn't easy as he's found out , Firstly, I wasn't having a pop at Porsing. Secondly, whilst you're right when you say that I don't know what Ged said in that phone call to Porsing's rep, it's quite obvious that he gave an explanation as to why Porsing was being dropped. DWP himself said that Ged had told him that the plan was to bring in Cook. My point is that DWP blabbed about it on social media when it wasn't his place to do so. To avoid my comments being misconstrued (again) I'm talking about the Cook plan, not the dropping of Porsing. So how an I being harsh? Irrespective of what Ged said, it was his timing that appears to be the problem, while I realiseit's important to be up front and keep employees informed, so as not to find out though third parties, if you have already been told your changes would not be approved, it seems very irresponsible and unprofessional conduct by the promoter. maybe Ged intended to dump Porsing in any case..... His one mistake was mentioning Cook (or other riders) during his phone call to Porsing's rep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champs99 Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 they share a track so cant ride at the same time!!!!! they share a track so cant ride at the same time!!!!!Dont they ever ride away? And is this another interpretation of the rule that's not there? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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