TheScotsman Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 of course they would know, eff-eff-ess! Why? There were no fixture clashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Nobody been found out. The sport looks like it couldn't run a bath as per usual. Sheffield could have explained it in those terms and perhaps got the sympathy vote but they just said that it's happening and shut up shop. On the face of it, it looks more of an unplanned inconvenience rather than real problem but it's a shame that grown adults can't act like them. Having said that, ever heard of propoganda? This is all straight out of the Cyril Crane book of speedway promotion. I don't think its anything to do with the sport whatsoever. Its about Peterborough and their riders putting their interests before those of paying spectators. We have had 6 pages of Peterborough fans wailing, gnashing and slagging Sheffield off when in actual fact the three concerned could ride after all and there was not - despite all the statements coming from the Peterborough promotion - any need to change the date at all. Scotsman's 'they wanted another day in bed' is just about spot on, and he's also absolutely right about what can be achieved when one side won't back down. Edited September 15, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Thanks HT!! And that's not to mention all the grief, accusations and innuendos that Alex Harkess and the BSPA were having to endure all over the place. I'm really glad the precious prima donnas have been found out. Edited September 15, 2015 by TheScotsman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Why? There were no fixture clashes. So you don't think they ever look at riders' commitments in other countries? Are you sure?!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 They had no commitments. That's why they can now ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Thanks HT!! And that's not to mention all the grief, accusations and innuendos that Alex Harkess and the BSPA were having to endure all over the place. I'm really glad the precious prima donnas have been found out. Funny how when there's a disagreement on any thread that mentions Peterborough along you come to to continue your constant Panther bashing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I don't think its anything to do with the sport whatsoever. Its about Peterborough and their riders putting their interests before those of paying spectators. We have had 6 pages of Peterborough fans wailing, gnashing and slagging Sheffield off when in actual fact the three concerned could ride after all and there was not - despite all the statements coming from the Peterborough promotion - any need to change the date at all. Scotsman's 'they wanted another day in bed' is just about spot on, and he's also absolutely right about what can be achieved when one side won't back down. Fans of ANY club would be unhappy if they heard that their team was being forced into a date they hadn't agreed to, and on which 3 of their key riders weren't going to be available. As it turns out.the problem has been solved by the 3 riders agreeing to change their plans. For the record, nobody ever said that they were RIDING elsewhere on the 17th; just that they were not available - which, having already made their travel and logistical plans, they weren't. Talking about it being simply down to them wanting "another day in bed" is unfair and rather childish - although it's typical of this forum. Surely we're all glad that Panthers will be able to field an almost full team now? Nobody likes to see teams comprising guests and R/R, either in your own team or the opposition. By the way, I'm just waiting for the outcry from Edinburgh if, as seems likely, the PL play-offs drag on deep into October and key riders are down under .... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well least we know when it is now, notice is shocking, but there we are, crack on and move on. Will try and sort it out with work now to make sure get there to support the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Funny how when there's a disagreement on any thread that mentions Peterborough along you come to to continue your constant Panther bashing Ask yourself why. I am a season ticket holder at Peterborough. And put in a decent amount of cash pre-season to help them. But I don't like being taken for a mug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) I don't think its anything to do with the sport whatsoever. Its about Peterborough and their riders putting their interests before those of paying spectators. We have had 6 pages of Peterborough fans wailing, gnashing and slagging Sheffield off when in actual fact the three concerned could ride after all and there was not - despite all the statements coming from the Peterborough promotion - any need to change the date at all. Scotsman's 'they wanted another day in bed' is just about spot on, and he's also absolutely right about what can be achieved when one side won't back down. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. The fact that we have to wail, gnash and slag to make sense of it all says much about the sport, it's communications and the way it treats the paying customers. Did anyone at the start or during any of those 6 pages suggest that those 3 could ride, were putting their interests first ahead of paying customers? Nope! If it's all Peterborough's fault then why did the BSPA sympathise with our plight (or did Rathbone make that up?) and what plight was that? What rule did they need to assist us that they haven't currently got? Edited September 15, 2015 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 They had no commitments. That's why they can now ride. OMG... YES, they had (and still have) commitments. Nobody said they were RIDING on the 17th - just that they'd be unavailable on the 17th. And they were unavailable - until Ged twisted their arms and they agreed to change their travel & logistical plans which they'd already made for those commitments. It has cost somebody a chunk of money - and my guess is that Panthers have had to stump up money they can ill afford. Nobody seems bothered about that in their haste to make petty points about how Sheffield didn't want to have a blank Thursday for their fans. The way the PL play-offs look like dragging out, if Sheff manage knock Panthers out they'll have about a MONTH to wait for their next one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) So - they weren't riding abroad on the Thursday after all. Just wanted another day in bed. And which golden helmet is Barker due to ride in? Not the same one as smiling Sam on Sunday? Sam is managing to ride at Armadale on Friday as well so surely there should be no problem for Barker to be at Sheffield on Thursday? It's amazing what can be done when the issues are forced. And to answer a previous post, why should Sheffield have known the panthers 3 would be missing on the 17th when there are no fixture clashes that day? Bluff called - Peterborough found out. so basically .....Sheffield wanted to stage the fixture or they'd have had ZERO income for a month while peterborough had 3 riders who wanted an extra 1 or 2 days travelling time (nothing at all to do with this match or british speedway in general) .... make your own minds up as to who is trying to 'pull a fast one' !!!!!! Edited September 15, 2015 by The SAINT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE7Panther Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Ask yourself why. I am a season ticket holder at Peterborough. And put in a decent amount of cash pre-season to help them. But I don't like being taken for a mug. being taken for a mug by whom? and how? Sheffield wanted to stage the fixture or they'd have had ZERO income for a month while peterborough had 3 riders who wanted an extra 1 or 2 days travelling time (nothing at all to do with this match or british speedway in general) .... make your own minds up as to who is trying to 'pull a fast one' !!!!!! re. zero income for a month: You talk as though there are enough meetings in a season to ensure that all clubs have at least one home fixture every week, and that they never have gaps. As today's date they have one more home fixture, and income generated from it, irrespective of what date it's it run. They might have another home meeting - IF they knock Panthers out. But that could well be another week or two, or even 3, with no home meeting and no income in the meantime. In the context of the argument about the 17th, your point about Sheff suffering financially if they'd had to put it back to the 24th is spurious. They get the income from the meeting either way. Anyway, it doesn't matter now. Panthers will have an almost full team with, hopefully a decent guest (Porsing?) for Ostergaard at No.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 being taken for a mug by whom? and how? re. zero income for a month: You talk as though there are enough meetings in a season to ensure that all clubs have at least one home fixture every week, and that they never have gaps. As today's date they have one more home fixture, and income generated from it, irrespective of what date it's it run. They might have another home meeting - IF they knock Panthers out. But that could well be another week or two, or even 3, with no home meeting and no income in the meantime. In the context of the argument about the 17th, your point about Sheff suffering financially if they'd had to put it back to the 24th is spurious. They get the income from the meeting either way. Anyway, it doesn't matter now. Panthers will have an almost full team with, hopefully a decent guest (Porsing?) for Ostergaard at No.1. basically what you're saying is that any club should plan it's business/fixture list around the travel arrangements of the opposition ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Ask yourself why. I am a season ticket holder at Peterborough. And put in a decent amount of cash pre-season to help them. But I don't like being taken for a mug. So you wont be renewing your season ticket then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Probably won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this situation it underlines the basic rule of those in charge of Speedway that self interest is paramount at all times. Edited September 15, 2015 by wealdstone 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this situation it underlines the basic rule of those in charge of Speedway that self interest is paramount at all times. and why speedway will always be an amatuerish circus and will never join the 'major' sports 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this situation it underlines the basic rule of those in charge of Speedway that self interest is paramount at all times. Still think it was a PR stunt, and not a bad effort come to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 basically what you're saying is that any club should plan it's business/fixture list around the travel arrangements of the opposition ??? No, but if it is Peterborough then yes you should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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