Which Fast Track Riders Will Be Promoted Into Any Teams 1-5 For 2016?

[g13webb]

This half -cocked idea of draft riders was always going to be difficult to implement. Unless the Premier League Bosses come on board and form part of a progressional development route, the idea will die a natural death.

In an ideal world, it would be a terrific development scheme to have 5 Tiers of youngster wanting to progress. : Tier1 = EL 6; Tier2 =EL7; Tier3 = PL6; Tier4 = PL7 and Tier5 =NL6 & 7. Each year they could move along giving each rider the opportunity to progress. But for this to work, all of the Promoters would have to think as one body and work as a unit. Until then we have to continue it this half cocked idea.

 

The main problem at the moment is we do not have enough decent youngsters who want to part-take wholly in this scheme. Some want the best of both worlds. some want guest booking only, some want to earn more money. This makes it very difficult for equal distribution of talent and stepping stones becomes too big for other to make.. Even forgetting about the crooked selection process, the current riders in Tiers 1 and 2 are miles apart in terms of quality and this alone makes it so unfair to the teams who have the lesser riders.

 

The idea of developing a route for the youngster, to progress into the sport is a brilliant idea. But it should not be detriment to the Clubs who, at present, do the most in giving these youngster an opportunity. Rules should be set in stone and make all clubs aware they all need to invest in the future of these youngster. It is wrong that teams like Coventry and Lynn are penalised just because they are the one's who do this... and whilst other clubs continue to have free pickings, they will never invest the time or money into the program. Once we ruled the world, but now this country need to develop these new riders.....

[ouch]

Coventry, Lynn & Belle Vue.

[Starman2006]

Agree with the first part but not the 2nd (ie tier 2) as that will simply de-value the EL product even further.

 

 

Done deal then Seriously, the top 6-7 fast trackers should go into the team proper, on an assessed average of 4.50.

[therefused]

Done deal then Seriously, the top 6-7 fast trackers should go into the team proper, on an assessed average of 4.50.

why not just convert there premier league average?

[Aces51]

That sounds like the sort of simplistic formula the BSPA might come up with. It would be far better to work out a realistic formula, say something like 66% of their EL average this year. Otherwise teams using the top tier one riders will again gain an advantage.

why not just convert there premier league average?

If they are going to be riding in the EL and have an EL average then that is the correct figure to use. It is just a matter of determining a fair formula. Edited September 14, 2015 by Aces51

[SCB]

That sounds like the sort of simplistic formula the BSPA might come up with. It would be far better to work out a realistic formula, say something like 66% of their EL average this year. Otherwise teams using the top tier one riders will again gain an advantage.

TBF, convert PL or 66% of EL average is about the same for most of them. Poole/Newman gain most out of a converted PL figure as he PL average is relatively low compared to his EL figure.

[Aces51]

TBF, convert PL or 66% of EL average is about the same for most of them. Poole/Newman gain most out of a converted PL figure as he PL average is relatively low compared to his EL figure.

Just proves it must be better to use the EL figure. Poole gained massively last year by the BSPA foolishly using the PL figures

[KLStars98]

Why? Teams like Coventry & King's Lynn have brought some of their assets through the NL and helped develop them.

More teams should do the same or buy them as assets if they wanted protected riders.

 

I don't think riders should be protected just because they rode for a team the year before but should be if assets.

 

Totally agree with that. Clubs like Coventry and Lynn should be rewarded in some way for encouraging the development of British youngsters through NL teams. They get out what they put in. They don't just have a NL team for the fun of it or for winning. Look at the Young Stars side and they hardly taste success in the league but have had success in the development of riders e.g. Rose, Kerr etc. which benefit the senior side and British speedway.

 

If you don't benefit British speedway, British speedway shouldn't benefit you by allowing you to have any rider in the draft where other clubs have put time and effort in developing.

[stevebrum]

Done deal then Seriously, the top 6-7 fast trackers should go into the team proper, on an assessed average of 4.50.

Would work so long as foreigners aren't assessed on a silly 4.

If our Brits are assessed at 4.50 then it makes it easier to raise the assessed average for foreigners.

It would be the height of stupidity to have an assessment higher for riders for Brits than those new to the league.

[Chadster]

It has been suggested that riders who are excluded for tape offences or under 2 minute rule should be automatically be put on 15 metres. If that were to be the case do we need two reserves? Go back to the pre-1969 system of one reserve whose programmed rides were with the second strings. If needs be no 6 in the averages could be a supplementary reserve.

[Trees]

I'd like to see the top FTRs as pukka number 6s next season so they will be able to move up and down into the 1-5 and number 7s chosen from the rest of grade 1s and grade 2s and stay as FTRs.

 

The above would surely see the progression of the FTRs which is what it is all about?

 

There are a few more young Brits who were denied FTR places, we need to help them too, maybe they should be allowed in the mix with the number 6s?

[SCB]

I'd like to see the top FTRs as pukka number 6s next season so they will be able to move up and down into the 1-5 and number 7s chosen from the rest of grade 1s and grade 2s and stay as FTRs.

 

The above would surely see the progression of the FTRs which is what it is all about?

 

There are a few more young Brits who were denied FTR places, we need to help them too, maybe they should be allowed in the mix with the number 6s?

As I said on the Wolves thread. Just put the limit back up to 40, sign 7 riders. 2 of which have to be draft riders. That way if the draft riders do well they go up into the 1-5. Also, no more protected heats, we go back to the old format. They have two years of being protected and molly coddled, now they have to go out and do it with the only protection being the knowledge that a foreigner cannot replace them.

 

Having the two best draft riders wont matter so much then as they'll take up more of your points and you'll lose out on your 1-5.

[E I Addio]

I'd like to see the top FTRs as pukka number 6s next season so they will be able to move up and down into the 1-5 and number 7s chosen from the rest of grade 1s and grade 2s and stay as FTRs.

 

 

 

 

Two queries on that :-

 

 

First, if your no 6 moves up to the 1-5 is he still expected to maintain his equipment on £40 a point, or does he get a pay increase ? Bear in mind that the fast track was introduced to save money so I cant see the promoters upping the points money and if a rider goes into the 1-5 it will be even harder to score points. Equally is the rider who drops down to number 6 going to get a pay cut ? Cant see many standing for that.

 

Second , if your EDR rider say Garrity for example progresses to become a genuine second string in the 1-5 what happens when you get a situation such as occurred this season with Auty , Birks and Kerr, ie. they get a season ending injury and there is not replacement of equal calibre left in the pool ? Its bad enough when that happens to a reserve but would be even worse with a number 2 or number 4 ?

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It would be the height of stupidity to have an assessment higher for riders for Brits than those new to the league.

 

 

That's the one they'll go for then

[MrMungo]

 

 

Two queries on that :-

 

 

First, if your no 6 moves up to the 1-5 is he still expected to maintain his equipment on £40 a point, or does he get a pay increase ? Bear in mind that the fast track was introduced to save money so I cant see the promoters upping the points money and if a rider goes into the 1-5 it will be even harder to score points. Equally is the rider who drops down to number 6 going to get a pay cut ? Cant see many standing for that.

 

Second , if your EDR rider say Garrity for example progresses to become a genuine second string in the 1-5 what happens when you get a situation such as occurred this season with Auty , Birks and Kerr, ie. they get a season ending injury and there is not replacement of equal calibre left in the pool ? Its bad enough when that happens to a reserve but would be even worse with a number 2 or number 4 ?

 

 

That's the one they'll go for then

 

FDR are no longer on £40 per point. That was last year.

[Crazy robin]

Newman & Garrity should definately not be at reserve next season & add Steve Worrall as they need to see if they can make the next step in their careers.

[TMW]

that was due to logistics rather than ability though.

The original comment was some of tge no7s werent even good enough for the PL.

No comparison with Adam there....

He can't double up because of his average.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

He can't double up because of his average.

IMO he only went back to the NL after effectively being frozen out of the PL due to the Friday night priority issue.

[Trees]

Two queries on that :-

 

 

First, if your no 6 moves up to the 1-5 is he still expected to maintain his equipment on £40 a point, or does he get a pay increase ? Bear in mind that the fast track was introduced to save money so I cant see the promoters upping the points money and if a rider goes into the 1-5 it will be even harder to score points. Equally is the rider who drops down to number 6 going to get a pay cut ? Cant see many standing for that.

 

Second , if your EDR rider say Garrity for example progresses to become a genuine second string in the 1-5 what happens when you get a situation such as occurred this season with Auty , Birks and Kerr, ie. they get a season ending injury and there is not replacement of equal calibre left in the pool ? Its bad enough when that happens to a reserve but would be even worse with a number 2 or number 4 ?

 

 

That's the one they'll go for then

Looks as though MrMungo has put your first point to bed. I'm certainly not privy to the contracts that riders sign but surely if you improve yourself during a season your pay should increase and equally decrease if you go down the order? Is that not fair although hopefully promoters would take injury into consideration as well?

As for the second point, surely there will be other Brits that will be able to take their place? The number 6 wouldn't be in the pool but start as the pukka number 6 reserve.

 

No way should any of the riders' PL averages be taken into consideration in respect of the team building reserve berths, for obvious reasons!!

[JCookie]

Kyle Newman still has an average in the 6s at PL level so it's clear he's not genuine EL class. Garrity you could argue for.

[stevebrum]

Kyle Newman still has an average in the 6s at PL level so it's clear he's not genuine EL class. Garrity you could argue for.

They both have 2 years of EL experience and unofficial averages that can be used.

Newman us equal to Garrity in the EL so Pl should have little to do with it.